How to address the growing problem of power creep of items, and builds in PoE.

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Kulze wrote:

And last but not least: Robmafia, just please leave, if you're not playing then why are you here? You're neither making a proper statement, only undermining other posts, nor providing any proper feedback. You're a detriment to the community... probably to any community if you're behaving like that outside of the forum as well.
Behavior like yours is what makes people call a community toxic, it's literally appalling.

WAT

i'm here (forums) and not playing because the power creep is sickening and rekt the game to the point where i don't want to play this silly league.

...which was both obvious and literally stated in the other power creep thread. that you posted in. appx 50 times.

lolz @ me not providing proper feedback. wtf, man. what more could i have possibly provided? you won't answer that.

thanks for the namecalling, though. ...who's toxic?

poe 2019 - accuse someone of _____. BE that which you accuse the other of. of course, with zero examples...

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robmafia wrote:

lolz @ me not providing proper feedback. wtf, man. what more could i have possibly provided? you won't answer that.

'Proper feedback' seemingly seems to be something entirely different of what someone with an understanding of the material presented has. Also the following answers the - which I've already pointed out once before towards you - question about 'what you possible could've provided more' to this topic with those plentyfold posts in several threads.

1. Not disrespecting other people in general with insulting them via saying they have 'delusions' or similar things. That's not helping anything besides showing you're not on the same page with them. That much would be fine, derogatory wording though isn't and is what's leading to this clear animosity towards you.

2. Writing in proper sentences rather then simplified and unfinished ones. It's a forum, not a chatroom which you're writing in with a phone. And even if, I know people who write far more structured and wholesome on their phones.

3. Providing USEABLE feedback, or at least some people can build upon. You know, that kind GGG can read over, not yawning in boredom over the 1000th repeat of the same useless demand without providing the inkling of an actual useable thing for them to do which wouldn't destroy the whole player-base.
Pointing to the absolute only comment you've said yet: 'Remove everything related to power-creep'.

So, to this I'll get into further to make clear how exactly you could've provided the feedback in a better manner.
A) When exactly has that 'power-creep' you're spoken of started? Hard to know the point to 'undo' until otherwise.
B) Which mechanics exactly fall under this exactly?
C) What exactly would entice 'remove'? The whole mechanic, the respective bases, legacy or outright deleting it?

Also since it's a fairly new concept to you - as you've been asked several times now to provide it, never giving more then 3 sentences and some childish gifs nobody wants to see - providing actual solutions for this. That entails:
a) Doable from a business standpoint
b) Doable for SC, HC, SSF SC and SSF HC
c) Taking into consideration casual as well as competitive play-styles.
d) Not lessening the available content inside the game, neither via crafting available nor via contant which has to be run (Temple, Nexus, Delve, Synthesis, Beytrayal) and if it's to be removed providing respective replacement.

And surely several other points regarding that. Which leads to the next part: Why you're toxic.
Repeating the same conviction mindlessly and without regard of what anyone else posts, taking actually the wording in ways which either lets you see those posts 'beneath' you, or wrong as some sentences are badly worded. The try to look into the intention of someone posting isn't existing, neither is the usage of posted content to further the ideas you're able to present. You would need one firsthand before that would be possible after all.
What you seem to provide are 'one sentence solutions'... which are presented in a way they rather seem like some near-religious credo instead of personal opinions --> hence toxic behavior. A forum is a place for discussion and dispute, not for 'shoving the personal opinion down other peoples throat' while ignoring what anyone else says.


We had several good ideas written here which would work out, several snippets which GGG can use to alleviate the issue slightly, and quite many ways to nudge the game into a better direction which is enjoyable for more people, both casual and fanatic players alike. Sadly not a single one came from you until now.

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Kulze wrote:

1. Not disrespecting other people in general with insulting them via saying they have 'delusions' or similar things.

hmmmm saying that somebody is delusional isn't showing a lack of respect though.

Two options :
- not towards an actual delusional person, which then would not reach that person in the first place and could just be ignored or refuted.
- towards a delusional person, who might take it very negatively then ... but should likely realize that it's true, so ...


Saying that somebody is delusional isn't a lack of respect, it isn't antagonizing, plus it's somebody's opinion.

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Fruz wrote:

hmmmm saying that somebody is delusional isn't showing a lack of respect though.

Two options :
- not towards an actual delusional person, which then would not reach that person in the first place and could just be ignored or refuted.
- towards a delusional person, who might take it very negatively then ... but should likely realize that it's true, so ...


Saying that somebody is delusional isn't a lack of respect, it isn't antagonizing, plus it's somebody's opinion.

That's for instance one of those examples for 'bad wording', not everyone here is a native English-speaker, so sometimes the meaning of words gets mixed up, that has to be taken into consideration.

And where's the option for 'only the writer thinks someone is delusional and nobody else'? Because seemingly 1/3 of the forum has delusions of some degree based on Robmafia's posts.

Also, showing a lack of respect is not taking the other person's opinion into consideration. This doesn't matter if you think the opinion is right or wrong, you don't even look at it properly to decide if it is. And since either that is happening or Robmafia has a reading impairment or a fairly low IQ, I'll rather count on the bad character trait in this regard. It's just far more likely with the showcase of his behavior.

And even if it's not any of those cases, stating that someone is delusional first-hand rather then pointing out mistakes in the thought-process is devaluing those words as coming from someone who lacks the ability to have a proper thought-process rather then an impaired one. Hence if it's not lacking respect the other options would be an outright insult or... being derogatory. Have your pick there in that case.

Well ... there is always quite some differences between a normal conversation and a 'written one' like on a forum, part of the context is missing, so better take most things with a grain of salt imho.

I'm not a native English speaker either by the way, and 'delusional' can be taken negatively, like many other words, but it isn't an insult (although I guess the context matters there too)

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Kulze wrote:

And where's the option for 'only the writer thinks someone is delusional and nobody else'?

I would rather just assume that most things are just that, opinions, unless stated otherwise or shown with clear-enough support to back it up.

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Kulze wrote:

And even if it's not any of those cases, stating that someone is delusional first-hand rather then pointing out mistakes in the thought-process is devaluing those words as coming from someone who lacks the ability to have a proper thought-process rather then an impaired one. Hence if it's not lacking respect the other options would be an outright insult or... being derogatory. Have your pick there in that case.

I can agree with that, arguing with robmafia is often anything but pleasant in my experience, but I can see where he is coming from in most of the things he says, and often agree.

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Fruz wrote:

Your opinion on this does not matter, the ladder in PoE is a thing, competitive PoE is a thing, period.

If you think a couple of thousand nerds watching some streamer is what makes a game competitive, then super mario is just as competitive as poe.

So whatever folks, it is obvious that you have become delusional beyond any hope of redemption. If it makes you happy, just go ahead.

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Kulze wrote:

1. Not disrespecting other people in general with insulting them via saying they have 'delusions' or similar things. That's not helping anything besides showing you're not on the same page with them. That much would be fine, derogatory wording though isn't and is what's leading to this clear animosity towards you.

...how about "toxic?" how about "a detriment?"

your last post is far more guilty of this, so...

hypocrisy is a great way to start! it's logical and objective!/s

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Kulze wrote:

2. Writing in proper sentences rather then simplified and unfinished ones. It's a forum, not a chatroom which you're writing in with a phone. And even if, I know people who write far more structured and wholesome on their phones.

...wow.

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Kulze wrote:

3. Providing USEABLE feedback, or at least some people can build upon.

IMMEDIATELY after criticizing grammar, you misspell your keyword (and also, this and below are not "proper sentences." kulze, ever consistent).

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Kulze wrote:

You know, that kind GGG can read over, not yawning in boredom over the 1000th repeat of the same useless demand without providing the inkling of an actual useable thing for them to do which wouldn't destroy the whole player-base.

this is also not a 'proper sentence.'
this also misspells the keyword.
this also is factually incorrect.
this also contains numerous logical fallacies.

you can't even come close to adhering to your own standard.

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Kulze wrote:

Pointing to the absolute only comment you've said yet: 'Remove everything related to power-creep'.

LOLZ!

so the "absolute only comment" i said is... a fake quote that i didn't actually say?

seriously, please never leave. you are my new favorite poster. i haven't read one post of yours that was based in the realm of objectivity/facts/evidence.


sorry for providing detailed criticism with multiple detailed solutions and etc in a feedback forum for a game that i'm not even an alpha tester of. how horrible of me.

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Kulze wrote:

So, to this I'll get into further to make clear how exactly you could've provided the feedback in a better manner.
A) When exactly has that 'power-creep' you're spoken of started? Hard to know the point to 'undo' until otherwise.
B) Which mechanics exactly fall under this exactly?
C) What exactly would entice 'remove'? The whole mechanic, the respective bases, legacy or outright deleting it?

that moment when a giant diss is made, but every part of it is screwed up.

a - i did answer this. i mentioned "merciless" and "runic." and i mentioned "ascendancy."
b. - yeah, answered that.
c. "entice remove" does not make sense... but yeah, that was also answered.

...you know that there were previous power creep comments/criticisms/threads, right? you seem to assume that this and the other current one are the only ones. also, you didn't even read them - as evident by your absurdist, redundant suggestions.

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Kulze wrote:

And surely several other points regarding that. Which leads to the next part: Why you're toxic.

irony - noun - calling someone "toxic" amidst numerous namecallings, fallacies, statements made in literal ignorance, and hypocritical standards.

Which still leaves out the main-topic: Solution.

Once again you're simply repeating my statements and telling everyone they aren't true, leaving out the major part of alleviating everything told about you though... providing solutions.

Also, a proactive behavior versus a reactive behavior for undermining the post of another person are quite different. That's definitely up for discussion and in the eyes of the viewer, personally, guilty as seen with that part, won't deny it.

Going the route of 'but he doesn't have proper grammar' is pitiful. It's not about grammar, it's about the relevant amount of content provided in a post, which sadly often is a big zero-sum. I'm not saying the initial statements are wrong, or even bad, just those follow-ups you do.

Next: It's not for the users of a forum to work through years of probably relevant content inside a quite active forum to look if someone has already presented the named idea. Repeat it in every thread, adjust it as more and more threads come out and perfect it over time.
Saying 'It's already answered' therefore might be true, without digging through old and decaying threads though nobody will ever know. Hence, for the majority it is as if you've never done so, period. If you alleviate that... well... all those fallacies and wrong-doings of mine would be fairly obvious, right? So... provide them, the issue would be solved with this and I would look like the idiot regarding the issue. Right now it's the other way around still.

Now to the parts which are important:

Ok, the issue started with... ascension? Maybe? Before that? Well, dated 'far' back definitely, namely before Abyss league if I remember it right. A lot of content has been implemented.
What I've heard from you was to 'undo' it until now, nothing else, in none of the relevant threads you've 'provided' your 'helpful' posts. Yes, you've spoken about a topic which is important, and showcased several items which pose issues, that's visible. Though what do you suggest IN DETAIL that GGG should do?

If they should balance it, in what way should they do that? (No, that hasn't been said in the threads I've been able to look up in my free time)
If they should remove parts, what would make up for the loss of crafting-content? Example affixes for instance which wouldn't lead to such quantities of power-creep.

You could write a literal essay-sized post easily with all those questions I'm asking, provided you've at least done some proper thinking about this in the past already, some which was more detailed then 'change stuff, no detailed suggestion provided as to how'. Which is the momentary status of how you're perceived - at least by me.

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Kulze wrote:

Which still leaves out the main-topic: Solution.

lolz!

1. the "solution" is largely self-explanatory.
2. many solutions (including the most freakin' obvious) were literally spelled out already.

do you have any REAL criticism?

the most hilarious aspect of this is that the problems are self-imposed and the primary solutions are to just stop making this same mistake over and over...

you act as if it's some monumental feat to NOT create power creep - which would simply be a passive/lateral state.

the irony. so much irony.

'hurr durr, spells are OP and melee sucks in 3.5. ...let's buff spells in 3.6!'