Don't nerf Syndicate encounters

Look, I don't give a single damn about the original Diablo 3, it has nothing to do with this discussion. If the expansion was a success Blizzard would have continued making more, it is as simple a that. You yourself said it reinvigorated the game, meaning players came back and started playing again. If that was the case, if they were on the right track, they would have continued.

They didn't. The plan for a second expansion was scrapped. It was not profitable to keep investing into Diablo 3 meaning RoS didn't perform as expected. Its as simple as that.

You cant argue it. No matter how much history and personal feelings you try to pour in you cant change the facts.

No, it surely wasn't a financial blockbuster. So what's your point?

This whole debate started from me saying that RoS is a great example of good things coming out from developers listening to their fans. If it wasn't for RoS, D3 wouldn't have nearly the players it has even now.

Also, they did get a Necro dlc years later, so interpret it as you may.

edit: also, it's even more true in the case of PoE, because your revenue comes from satisfied players who buy MTX's. Imagine if you had to pay for 3.5.0.d; I'm sure many players would be like "screw that!"

But we get it for free, we will enjoy it, we retain trust in GGG, thus we gladly throw our money at them.

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Marxone wrote:

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Anduvriel wrote:

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Well, game should have some difficulty "by default". You can't manage the default...

What do you mean i can't manage the default? Worst T15 8 mod crazy bad mods boss done in 2 man party (i was the carry) or uber izaro or catarina or Ahuatotli or 5 other captain syndicate members in fortification including It, Janus in red maps all done deathless without a problem.. I think you didn't even bother to read the mods on her weapons did you?

I can't manage 6.5k+ one shots with positive chaos res and a lot of phys mitigation in 0.5 a sec that are not dodgeable or telegraphed in any way? I am not CI or 10kehp tank than i should be just dead?

I can survive uber izaro slam without a problem that means i have good physical mitigation for default content.. I have +22% chaos res which is probably more than 90% of playerbase. We are talking about normal t10 map content, not a special encounter where you go in like chayula domain.

Btw i killed her as she spawned in transportation as an add and i was lucky to freeze her (in t11 map) and managed to destroy her weapons and lower her rank. So yeah i found a way to do this, but in no means it is an acceptable difficulty content.

You never once addressed the scrapped second expansion. Keep saying how RoS is the only reason people still play the game even though in the end the numbers dwindled so much Blizzard saw it fitting to go mobile. Keep calling it a great example of things done right when it was ultimately a failure which was the last nail in the coffin for the game.

Like you said, interpret it as you may, same as that pathetic attempt at cashgrab with the Necro DLC.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

You never once addressed the scrapped second expansion. Keep saying how RoS is the only reason people still play the game even though in the end the numbers dwindled so much Blizzard saw it fitting to go mobile. Keep calling it a great example of things done right when it was ultimately a failure which was the last nail in the coffin for the game.

Like you said, interpret it as you may, same as that pathetic attempt at cashgrab with the Necro DLC.

The failure was Diablo 3 and RoS saved what it could. It came too late, end of story.

You are very fixated on thinking that big revenue = good game, but unless you are an EA executive, it's just stupid. Many games died after their best releases (Red Alert 2, Heroes of Might and Magic 3) because of corporate bs, while many games lived on to reap in the big bucks, despite being nothing special (Sims expansions, yearly sports games).

Once again, you can't blame RoS for carrying the stigma of vanilla D3.

About the expansion: so the game is bad, because another expansion was scrapped, but I mention how they did an entirely new charater YEARS later as a DLC, it's just a crash gab. Man, arguing with you is a joy. So the game is both not profitable so it doesn't get an expansion, but it's also profitable so they work on a new character.

so i went from being a "troll" to an "elitist?"

...did i get that right?

i wouldn't have given defensive/etc advice if i knew this was getting nerfed. serves me right, i suppose. try to help people, get called out and ridiculed for it.

i just think it's sad that 'no, i don't wannna play smarter/have defenses/etc, the game should just be easy!' wins. again. for 10 days, the game was... well, not even as hard as it used to be. but at least went in that direction for the first time in years.

stick a fork in it, we candy crush now.

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Volband wrote:

About the expansion: so the game is bad, because another expansion was scrapped, but I mention how they did an entirely new charater YEARS later as a DLC, it's just a crash gab. Man, arguing with you is a joy. So the game is both not profitable so it doesn't get an expansion, but it's also profitable so they work on a new character.

...are you joking?

the resources needed to make an expansion are like a jillion times more than to add a character.

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robmafia wrote:

...are you joking?

the resources needed to make an expansion are like a jillion times more than to add a character.

True, but if something is not profitable, then you don't produce any content for it, period. Also, the new characters introduced in expansions (Assassin and Druid in LoD and Crusader in RoS) are more important long term, than the campaign. You play the latter, it's cool, it's fun, end of story. But you carry the characters with you into the multiplayer experience, and they are there to stay.

What would you want in PoE: two new acts or an entirely new character with its own ascendancies? Please ignore the fact that it would need some skill tree adjusting.

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robmafia wrote:

so i went from being a "troll" to an "elitist?"

...did i get that right?

i wouldn't have given defensive/etc advice if i knew this was getting nerfed. serves me right, i suppose. try to help people, get called out and ridiculed for it.

i just think it's sad that 'no, i don't wannna play smarter/have defenses/etc, the game should just be easy!' wins. again. for 10 days, the game was... well, not even as hard as it used to be. but at least went in that direction for the first time in years.

stick a fork in it, we candy crush now.

No one minds helpful people. But the way you went about it was rude and not helpful. If you want to help, then help, and if you don't, then don't. No one forces you. But barking at people like "lolz so bad, get better def like what the hell man you are weak" is not helpful, nor nice.

Post up your character, your experiences, your EHP, your resistances and educate others how you manage to survive against certain rippy encounters like Tora, Janus or It. People can learn from it and say "ahaaaaaa, so that's how!!". If you just tell everyone they are bad and should get better that is not actually helping. That is only setting you up to act shocked when people call you out.

of course, it was profitable.

that's the point. i don't think it required many necromancer purchases to break even, since the development cost to add a character can't be too much. especially when compared to the cost of an actual expansion.

that said, i'd expect an expansion to have been quite profitable as well. at least before the immortal debacle. blizzard had some realllllly devoted fans, perhaps like no other studio in gaming.

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Volband wrote:

No one minds helpful people. But the way you went about it was rude and not helpful. If you want to help, then help, and if you don't, then don't. No one forces you. But barking at people like "lolz so bad, get better def like what the hell man you are weak" is not helpful, nor nice.

...so was making that fake quote helpful? or was it nice, then?

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Volband wrote:

Post up your character, your experiences, your EHP, your resistances and educate others how you manage to survive against certain rippy encounters like Tora, Janus or It.

god, no. then we'd just have even more cookie-cuttering and buildcloning. i'd prefer to give some advice and drop hints and hope that the person can learn/do it, himself.

i mean. ehp/res aside.

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Volband wrote:

If you just tell everyone they are bad and should get better that is not actually helping. That is only setting you up to act shocked when people call you out.

WAT

that moment when your entire premise for days is just fictitious straw and that i actually DID do that which you just suggested?

it's as if i mentioned chaos res, phys mitigation, block, dodge, and etc before. did you just think that those were magic words?

I don't get why do you want to play the tough SOB fella and the hurt primadonna at the same time. You are extremely rude and condescending towards everyone, who is not on your level, yet when the tiniest of injustices happen to you (ie. making up a quote that reflects perfectly on how you behave, but you did not actually type out out word by word that way, so only 87% of it is true) you act out some Shakespearean death scene.

It is none of my business if people want to act toxic and obnoxious on an internet forum, but it really grinds my gears when the same people have the most fragile egos. Either tone back your levels of condescending to a bare minimum, or don't lose your head whenever someone calls you out. This is not high-school and you are not a teenage girl.

As for your advices, they were extremely generic: Not enough hp. Avoid stuff. Chaos res lol!!44

If you really want to help, then you suggest a comfortable EHP number for the level they intend to play and help them figure out how to achieve it (ie. replace some useless damage nodes with %hp/es ones). Suggest mechanics to outplay the rippy syndicate encounters, because maybe it's really easy, we just haven't found out yet.

There are some really-really helpful people here on the forums, so if you are curious how to be really helpful and without acting like a colossal doofus, you don't have to look far. The people who can talk to others without treating them pieces of shits far outnumber the likes of you.

Now go ahead, and get offended by something, make a big deal out of it, and pretend that what I've just said about you is absolutely nonsense, because there was that one time when you told someone "WAT lolz take more life nodes", which of course completely DESTROYS and OBLITERATES my point with FACTS and LOGIC. Your style of nitpicking, twisting and deliberately misunderstanding others' comments, thus wearing them down and reducing every single conversation into chaotic levels where you can rinse and repeat the same thing but with even more ease is going strong for at least 5 years now according to your post history. I do not expect you to change it now.