15 European gambling regulators unite to tackle loot box threat

Hopefully some good will come out of this and eventually gambling boxes will be made illegal or at least highly regulated and treated as gambling.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-09-17-15-european-gambling-regulators-unite-to-tackle-loot-box-threat

"The regulators stated games providers must "ensure that features within games, such as loot boxes, do not constitute gambling under national laws". This indicates more countries will now examine whether loot boxes can be classed as gambling."

Sweet!
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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:
It really only applies to p2w kind of shit, whereas MTX in POE is strictly cosmetic.


Nope, it applies to cosmetics as well. Check it up with the example of Overwatch.
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No. It applies to all boxes that you gamble your money on to get something. This article is mostly about 3rd parties sites that sell in game items from popular games and how that is a loophole that makes gambling boxes from popular games actually legally defined as gambling. But it is also about how this topic will hopefully make regulators crack down on gambling boxes in general. Hopefully.

Last edited by Orbitalx#4006 on Oct 11, 2018, 11:47:14 AM
Lootboxes are absolutely a "grey-to-black-area".

It's all about money. They make more money through lootboxes. And why is that?
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LowBudget780 wrote:
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Orbitalx wrote:
Hopefully some good will come out of this and eventually gambling boxes will be made illegal or at least highly regulated and treated as gambling.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-09-17-15-european-gambling-regulators-unite-to-tackle-loot-box-threat

"The regulators stated games providers must "ensure that features within games, such as loot boxes, do not constitute gambling under national laws". This indicates more countries will now examine whether loot boxes can be classed as gambling."

Sweet!


Good. Lootboxes are gambling and should be regulated as such.


So, a good glass of wine should be prohibited because of alcoolics?
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Who tf actually wastes irl money on lootboxes rofl...
Last edited by Paldamus#1328 on Oct 11, 2018, 3:35:38 PM
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Katastruff wrote:
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LowBudget780 wrote:
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Orbitalx wrote:
Hopefully some good will come out of this and eventually gambling boxes will be made illegal or at least highly regulated and treated as gambling.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-09-17-15-european-gambling-regulators-unite-to-tackle-loot-box-threat

"The regulators stated games providers must "ensure that features within games, such as loot boxes, do not constitute gambling under national laws". This indicates more countries will now examine whether loot boxes can be classed as gambling."

Sweet!


Good. Lootboxes are gambling and should be regulated as such.


So, a good glass of wine should be prohibited because of alcoolics?


Regulated. Not prohibited.

Just like how alcohol and gambling are highly regulated right now.
It was obvious from the start that loot boxes exploited gambling disorders specially on underaged teens. There simply was a legal void that now will be regulated. It sais a lot from companies that adopted this kind of marketing model.

From a capitalist perspective the did a great job. They will be able to live in a mansion in the caribean when they retire.

From a moral perspective i send giant fuck you to Blizzard, GGG, Valve, EA, etc for turning their game's customization into a gambling shitshow. And hey, Valve at least had the steam market and GGG always included loot box skins to the shop after 3 months.
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Last edited by IIPheXII#5639 on Oct 11, 2018, 4:18:45 PM
Classic example is anything by 'Cryptic' studios (Star Wars online, et al and sundry).

They plow gambling crates at you like this game throws scrolls. At one time you could not even 'trash' them; you had to studiously avoid touching the things. And the only way to get rid of them, for a time, was to buy their keys. There was no real way to get them in-game.

If vendors want to put gambling boxes in their titles, they should be required to put the access methods ('keys') in the game as well. People who want to open many, many boxes can of course purchase said keys, but the average player should be able to access the boxes with in-game methods that are at least half as common.

i.e. if crates drop at X rate, keys should drop at 50% of X.

Otherwise classify it as gambling and tax the everloving SHIT out of it until the title dies or adjusts it's money grubbing tactics.

PoE/GGG has the right of things, right now; overpriced cosmetics and storage utility, but nothing that affects game play whatsoever.
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