I hate mapping in Delve, I just want to...

Abyss has Abyss-only loot. That's why I like it. :)
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Same dude... :(

There is a problem with that thinking though. If we don't do anythig, nothing will get changed. Sure people can be harsh to you when they disagree with your opinion, but if everyoe is afraid to voice to nobody gonna hear it. I know for a fact that there a lot of people who disagree that Delve is perfect League, sulphite is fine and that mapping is still fine. Most just won't share it. :(

Imagine if there will be more and more threads like this. Those people who previously were afraid of voicing their own opinion, who thought they are just gonna get laughed it, will understand that they are not alone, we are not alone, we are not the only people who think so. And that would create a traction that will lead to attention and changes.

Ideailly, but one or two threads from one or two people will rarely do anything. :(


I have yet to see a perfect league, and from my last thread on the subject it seems legacy was the most popular because it offered the player so much more control.

The problem when certain people vocalize their frustrations they do it in such a way that's so exaggerated or offensive that they're easy to ignore or simply become shouting matches.

I look at GD and most of the threads are meaningless crap or people looking to antagonize. For example, I thought it would be a valuable discussion for the community to discuss pathfinder and how the role of flasks have gone from an oh shit button to pure necessity. It goes largely ignored yet it affects both standard and league players equally.

So I guess I can't be too surprised that some people have felt it necessary to put on the show to keep the thread alive.


And if we were to truly break it down, the reason people enjoy delve over mapping is reward.

Abyss was basically a variant on the breach idea. Since I was around to experience that, the form of abyss that exists now is so watered down I actually have to think whether or not I want to bother.

Beastiary may not have appealed to everyone but the crafting increased accessibility to items that would otherwise be out of reach or impractical to acquire. While it may not have hit the huge release numbers, I'm pretty certain it had great retention for those that did play.

Incursion was like having two maps in one, with one of those being another breach variant. If it hadn't been bogged down by layer upon layer of rng, they probably wouldn't have needed the flashback.

Delve is just incursion re-imagined as a separate experience. Instead of being rushed to kill as fast as possible in the short window, you're now choosing to kill as fast as possible while following a cart to end at an area often no different than a reskinned incursion followed by a loot explosion.

The thing with those loot explosions is they're filled with so much junk that you can have trouble just finding a spot to drop something. When I actually bother to check the pile with alt there is a sea of white.

The main appeal with delve is that chests can have better loot tables and I'm far more likely to get more currency per delve than I would per map.

I enjoyed the fuck out of Incursion though. Incursion did not needed FB though, was big mistake they did it.

I don't think Delve is similar to Incursions and calling it "reskin" is just wrong imo.

I do every single Abyss and do Lich if there is one though, but without Lich and at lower levels, Abysses are pretty meh indeed.

If you press alt in any beefy map, you will see the very same mountains of white items, because that it just how it works. when there is a lot of stuff dropping, it's mostly trash.

It doesn't matter what you think of such threads, if you won't voice your opinion, nobody gonna hear it for sure.

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