Delve is garbage income - It's time to stop

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Kiss_Me_quick wrote:

Everyone still spurts the same nonsense such as:
"We can't reduce/remove sulphite or people get too rich!"
or
"This insane money maker needs a cap!"
What big currency? Nobody has ever showed me this BIG money. You're just getting baited by loot explosions, which is why it was designed like that. You do your 10 Azurite nodes and then get stimulation with your 2 chaos and 2 regret drops from a currency node. Wow, never seen so much currency in 1 place!

I don't find a ton of riches, true.

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Kiss_Me_quick wrote:

Delve is GARBAGE INCOME

A relative statement, obviously it is true for you.

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Kiss_Me_quick wrote:

If you care about anything regarding loot or XP, you shouldn't do Delves in any tier. It's random RIPs for XP and dogshit currency. The "But I found an exalt yesterday!" isn't a valid argument either. Compare your mapping time vs Delve time reward - You wouldn't believe the results!

Perhaps other players do not care about efficiency so much as having an experience that is different from maps.
Different, not always better or more efficient.

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Kiss_Me_quick wrote:

Yes, it can be fun for you, but that's it, nothing else.

Truly the point of every game.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

I wonder if Sulphite still hasn't been changed / removed because of these chrome recipe masterminds who defend the Sulphite cap on every possible platform.

Removal would not be possible, but a better setup of scaling perhaps?
I do not know where the sweet spot would be.

Delve is fun, it's new, it's a little bit different and most of all, it's a "break" from maps once in a while. In my eyes, it's the "missing link" this game has needed for a long time.

Maybe it's not as "efficient" when it comes to income or XP as mapping, but frankly that's not the goal for everyone. "Fun" is subjective, and I guess your thread isn't aimed at anyone else than "income pr minutes played is everything" = fun.

I don't know the numbers, but I doubt we're talking about a majority.

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DoubleU wrote:

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Kiss_Me_quick wrote:

If you care about anything regarding loot or XP, you shouldn't do Delves in any tier. It's random RIPs for XP and dogshit currency. The "But I found an exalt yesterday!" isn't a valid argument either. Compare your mapping time vs Delve time reward - You wouldn't believe the results!

Perhaps other players do not care about efficiency so much as having an experience that is different from maps.
Different, not always better or more efficient.

And this thread is about just that and the arguments that are related to it. Because even in this thread the few who actually have managed to not completely miss the topic, are claiming that it's worth the experience and currency with their "omg I found 3C amulet".

"Fun" has no place in this topic and it's completely irrelevant if I have fun or you or anyone else because "the big money" is the main argument for not changing Sulphite.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

Yes, it can be fun for you, but that's it, nothing else.

The only sentence that makes any sense. Why are you playing the game?
Maybe bcos of having fun?

What a surprise ...

i understand what you say man, but look, its a game and you should try to have fun, no more than that.If you are happy mapping and getting currency and stuff from there, go on! if other ppl like to delve for it, its valid too. remember all of you that having fun and enjoyable time is the first priority. if you are not going that lane, you should think about having a break.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

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dvasan wrote:

if delve is bad where else do you want us to spend our time you sould specify that too

I said if you want to play "efficiently". You can even pick your nose, if you want and it's fun for you, but it's not a productive activity if that's your goal.

Productive?



If I was shooting for productive, I'd just spend more time at work and get paid for the effort. If I was shooting for efficiency in a game, I wouldn't be bothering with a "fresh league" which is counter productive to gaming efficiency. You could easily hit 100 on all character classes, have beaten all the tough game content and decide you have "won" Path of Exile, and then not need to play it at all anymore, which would be the most efficient.

Some people like delve, and it is clear from your post that others do not. To each their own.

Delve is a fantastic addition to PoE.

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allgrin wrote:

i understand what you say man, but look, its a game and you should try to have fun, no more than that.If you are happy mapping and getting currency and stuff from there, go on! if other ppl like to delve for it, its valid too. remember all of you that having fun and enjoyable time is the first priority. if you are not going that lane, you should think about having a break.

Reason why Sulphite still exists is because of that EFFICIENCY claim by OTHER PLAYERS.
This thread is about REFUTING that SPECIFIC CLAIM.

Very nice that you're having fun which is 100% irrelevant in any way to this topic. Embarrasing how few people are able to grasp such a simple thing.

So what opportunity cost should there be for Delves then?
Surely you would not suggest that Delving should not have a cost associated with it?
And let's leave out the shared sulphite discussion as well.

Everything costs something, time and it's related efficiency are the crux of his arguments.

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DoubleU wrote:

So what opportunity cost should there be for Delves then?
Surely you would not suggest that Delving should not have a cost associated with it?
And let's leave out the shared sulphite discussion as well.

Time is the biggest opportunity cost in the game. You can run Merciless lab too and earn way more currency than in Delves. Time to put a cap on it? T3 maps have basically no opportunity cost aside from the convenience of clicking once on the ground per map - still more currency than Delve.

What the opportunity cost should be, if there should be, is another topic.