Evolution, Christian Darwin's Theory, Now Proven Wrong

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Templar_G wrote:

You are willing to believe you are related to baboons and fleas and ticks.

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Just because some Christian came up with a theory that has since been proven false by fossil science.

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1453R wrote:

Not really any point in arguing with Templar, Erdelyii. I'm not actually convinced he knows English. Some of the stuff that comes out of his keyboard feels like someone rearranging words after a monkey pounded a keyboard with very strong autocorrect for an hour. Even if he does understand the language, he's certainly not willing to converse.

But yeah. I'm...never quite sure why Dan Brown has managed to make it so big as an author. Maybe the same force of degenerate pseudo-literacy that propelled Stephenie Meyer to such overwhelming-yet-shameful success? Never did much research on the Knights Templar, but I will admit - devout warrior-sage potheads is a pretty fantastic combination. SWORD OF JUSTICE, BONG OF TRUTH.

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Templar_G wrote:

Evolution, Christian Darwin's Theory, Now Proven Wrong

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1453R wrote:

Not really any point in arguing with Templar, Erdelyii. I'm not actually convinced he knows English. Some of the stuff that comes out of his keyboard feels like someone rearranging words after a monkey pounded a keyboard with very strong autocorrect for an hour. Even if he does understand the language, he's certainly not willing to converse.

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1453R wrote:

But yeah. I'm...never quite sure why Dan Brown has managed to make it so big as an author. Maybe the same force of degenerate pseudo-literacy that propelled Stephenie Meyer to such overwhelming-yet-shameful success? Never did much research on the Knights Templar, but I will admit - devout warrior-sage potheads is a pretty fantastic combination. SWORD OF JUSTICE, BONG OF TRUTH.

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k1rage wrote:

LoL sword of justice bong of truth...

sounds like my D&D Group lol

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1453R wrote:

I mean...it kinda sounds like everybody's D&D group at least a little bit, doesn't it?

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Im2sl0w wrote:

I am just interested what really is behind that. What are the reasons and thoughts of individuals like the OP (even if trolling)?

I just watched the movie "Merchants of Doubt"

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3675568/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

Interesting documentary. This one person said that the most eminent anti global warming activists (prior Cold war defense system scientists) in reality were Ideologists, afraid of governmental interference (carbon taxes) leading to "Communism" in the US.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

It's a strawman to call the Knights Templar "Christians,"

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The really part about the usual suspects attacking Christianity in this thread is: WikiLeaks emails show the Democratic Party of 2016 was having precisely the same problem as the Church of Templar's time. Crowley's brand of occultism isn't quite the same as Baphometic ritualism, but it's the same ballpark. It's just that today the disguise used to embed in power structures is mostly secular (with a tiny dash of Christianity to keep certain Democrat demographics happy).

So don't be too hard on the Knights Templar, my mainstream atheist friends. You were diligently trying to vote their spiritual inheritors into office not two years ago.

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As I discuss extensively in my new (and now bestselling!) book John Dee and the Empire of Angels, which is about the (hidden) influence of the occult on the last 500 years of Western history, Aleister Crowley was raised in an English extremist religious group called the Exclusive Brethren, lead by a preacher named John Nelson Darby. Darby is the person that invented the concept of the "Rapture," the idea that people will be literally teleported into heaven during the Second Coming. He made a huge mark on history by claiming that the book of Revelation was literally real, and definitely not, you know, just a metaphor—and even that human beings had to help God's plan by bringing about the end of the world so that Jesus would come back sooner.

The British, not being particularly impressed by anything this sincere, let alone religious literalism, didn't take to Darby's ideas. Aleister Crowley sure did, however, because he spent the rest of his life rebelling against his early cult brainwashing by trying to create his own, "Satanic" version of Darby's teachings. While Darby declared that a new "aion" was coming, meaning the Second Coming of Christ, the adult Crowley declared himself the prophet of his own "New Aeon," one that was to be focused on enacting the reign of the Antichrist (meaning Crowley himself, of course), rather than Christ. Somewhere in the back of Crowley's mind, he probably believed that he was just helping Jesus' plan along by playing the bad guy in the story.

Another group that took Darby's ideas quite seriously was, well, American evangelicals. The idea that the Apocalypse is not only literal, and just around the corner, but that Christians actually have to help it happen—what I call Turbo-Christianity—circulated throughout the American religious right during the early part of the century, until it became the dominant religious form in America. You can tell because the Left Behind books—the most read books in America—are directly based on Darby's ideas; and because 1 in 3 Americans now believe that we live in the Apocalypse and that Jesus is coming back in our lifetime (according to a 2006 Pew Forum study). You can also tell because Ronald Reagan took this idea so seriously that he regularly told his aides that he was shepherding the world through the end times, and that his role was to overcome Russia (which he likened to "Gog and Magog" from the apocalyptic Book of Daniel) in preparation for the Second Coming.

George Bush, Jr.—Barbara's son, of course—believed this too, infamously telling the French President Jacques Chirac that he saw "Gog and Magog at work" in the Middle East when trying to enlist his support for the War on Terror, which (as you can imagine, Jacques being French and all), didn't go over particularly well. You can also see this dispensationalist theology clearly guiding the hand of Mike Pence, and now John Bolton, who also played a starring role in the invasion of Iraq, and is now working to level Syria (which is also a fulfillment of pre-apocalyptic Biblical prophecy, by the way, from Isaiah 17:1). This is all because evangelical Christians believe that Islam has to be removed from the Holy Land in preparation for Jesus coming back, more or less—and the fact that the evangelical Republicans have been quite regularly trying to force that to happen at the tip of a nuclear warhead should be a lot scarier to you than whatever weird heroin fetish rituals Crowley got up to in his basement.

But the kicker, of course, is that both of these things come from the same place—Crowley's satanic occultism, and the Republican right's thermonuclear Middle East interventionism.

So in that case, even if Barbara Bush wasn't literally Crowley's daughter, they were both drawing their inspiration from the same place—Darby's dispensational Christianity. Which at the very least makes them ideological relatives.

Where there's smoke, they say, there's fire—whether it's from an occult ritual or a drone strike.

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erdelyii wrote:

Crowley? heh

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As I discuss extensively in my new (and now bestselling!) book John Dee and the Empire of Angels, which is about the (hidden) influence of the occult on the last 500 years of Western history, Aleister Crowley was raised in an English extremist religious group called the Exclusive Brethren, lead by a preacher named John Nelson Darby. Darby is the person that invented the concept of the "Rapture," the idea that people will be literally teleported into heaven during the Second Coming. He made a huge mark on history by claiming that the book of Revelation was literally real, and definitely not, you know, just a metaphor—and even that human beings had to help God's plan by bringing about the end of the world so that Jesus would come back sooner.

The British, not being particularly impressed by anything this sincere, let alone religious literalism, didn't take to Darby's ideas. Aleister Crowley sure did, however, because he spent the rest of his life rebelling against his early cult brainwashing by trying to create his own, "Satanic" version of Darby's teachings. While Darby declared that a new "aion" was coming, meaning the Second Coming of Christ, the adult Crowley declared himself the prophet of his own "New Aeon," one that was to be focused on enacting the reign of the Antichrist (meaning Crowley himself, of course), rather than Christ. Somewhere in the back of Crowley's mind, he probably believed that he was just helping Jesus' plan along by playing the bad guy in the story.

Another group that took Darby's ideas quite seriously was, well, American evangelicals. The idea that the Apocalypse is not only literal, and just around the corner, but that Christians actually have to help it happen—what I call Turbo-Christianity—circulated throughout the American religious right during the early part of the century, until it became the dominant religious form in America. You can tell because the Left Behind books—the most read books in America—are directly based on Darby's ideas; and because 1 in 3 Americans now believe that we live in the Apocalypse and that Jesus is coming back in our lifetime (according to a 2006 Pew Forum study). You can also tell because Ronald Reagan took this idea so seriously that he regularly told his aides that he was shepherding the world through the end times, and that his role was to overcome Russia (which he likened to "Gog and Magog" from the apocalyptic Book of Daniel) in preparation for the Second Coming.

George Bush, Jr.—Barbara's son, of course—believed this too, infamously telling the French President Jacques Chirac that he saw "Gog and Magog at work" in the Middle East when trying to enlist his support for the War on Terror, which (as you can imagine, Jacques being French and all), didn't go over particularly well. You can also see this dispensationalist theology clearly guiding the hand of Mike Pence, and now John Bolton, who also played a starring role in the invasion of Iraq, and is now working to level Syria (which is also a fulfillment of pre-apocalyptic Biblical prophecy, by the way, from Isaiah 17:1). This is all because evangelical Christians believe that Islam has to be removed from the Holy Land in preparation for Jesus coming back, more or less—and the fact that the evangelical Republicans have been quite regularly trying to force that to happen at the tip of a nuclear warhead should be a lot scarier to you than whatever weird heroin fetish rituals Crowley got up to in his basement.

But the kicker, of course, is that both of these things come from the same place—Crowley's satanic occultism, and the Republican right's thermonuclear Middle East interventionism.

So in that case, even if Barbara Bush wasn't literally Crowley's daughter, they were both drawing their inspiration from the same place—Darby's dispensational Christianity. Which at the very least makes them ideological relatives.

Where there's smoke, they say, there's fire—whether it's from an occult ritual or a drone strike.

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It's always the way that the closer things are, the more friction.

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鬼殺し wrote:

It's not even a strawman in context (it's erroneous and maybe fallacious though), but people feel smart using that term.

"Was Barbara Bush Really Aleister Crowley's Daughter?"

...I was going to admonish you for citing a questionable blog, but that title makes pretty clear that you're 100% sure you're citing a questionable blog.

Spoiling

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html -- note the date. Thanks, io9.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Interesting. I despise neoconservative military interventionism, by the way, so it's interesting to read about this link to evangelical prophecy.

One of my deepest disappointments with the Obama Administration was its failure to stop Bush Administration interventionist policies, and indeed its escalation of them in places like Syria and Libya. My first thought after hearing Clinton say of Gaddafi "we came, we saw, he died" was: somewhere G.W. is watching this and thinking "shucks, I wish I'd thought of that one for Saddam." All those promises of change in 2008, only to see none.

You're the one who made the comparison between neocons and Crowley; I'm not disagreeing with it. But if Bush's reasons for his war crimes were "Gog and Magog" sold with lies about WMDs and half-hearted arguments only a staunch Republican partisan could love, then what motivation did Obama have to continue those war crimes when he had promised over and over again on the campaign trail that he'd end them? Maybe Darby and Crowley weren't as different as it might first seem... and maybe the younger Bush and Hillary Clinton weren't either.

You shouldn't assume that basement heroin fetishes are the worst things disciples of Thelema are up to. While I readily admit that most are long on ritual and short on action, there are some pretty dark fantasies seeking realization in some of those minds.

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