General Discussion - Full conversion fire hit really? - Forum

So i've built myself a pretty decent Cold-lightning Scion EE Ele-hit for 3.3 and no matter how i try to Change the build in POB to go Avatar of fire CoB like everybody does, the damage goes to shit. I dont get it since most my build is attack speed, ele damage so it should translate really well. I mean my Endgame build does 300k shaper dps without flasks on old elehit numbers. Can a Avatar of fire hit guy share a Pob link so i can maybe understand what is so great about losing EE and trading 2 tamings with pyre and CoB and giving up 1 jewel slots? Last bumped on Jun 1, 2018, 12:26:23 PM	Posted by HellRaven#2451 on May 31, 2018, 10:28:56 PM Quote this Post
I'm guessing PoB still uses the old Elemental Hit calculation and not the new Elemental Hit mechanics. Need game info? Check out the Wiki at: https://www.poewiki.net/ Contact support@grindinggear.com for account issues. Check out How to Report Bugs + Post Images at: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/18347	Posted by adghar#1824 on May 31, 2018, 10:34:11 PM Quote this Post
" HellRaven wrote: So i've built myself a pretty decent Cold-lightning Scion EE Ele-hit for 3.3 and no matter how i try to Change the build in POB to go Avatar of fire CoB like everybody does, the damage goes to shit. I dont get it since most my build is attack speed, ele damage so it should translate really well. I mean my Endgame build does 300k shaper dps without flasks on old elehit numbers. Can a Avatar of fire hit guy share a Pob link so i can maybe understand what is so great about losing EE and trading 2 tamings with pyre and CoB and giving up 1 jewel slots? It is because and then so ascendancy works very well with it and is simpler to scale with right items. I would not think 2much about it,as we do not know droprate on those jewels yet. I feel pretty, Oh, so pretty, I feel pretty, and witty and gay, And I pity Any girl who isn’t me today!	Posted by CAKE#4700 on May 31, 2018, 10:34:23 PM Quote this Post
[Edit] Misread your question. Indeed as adghar says, PoB still uses the old version of Elemental Hit, which works in a completely different way. People have either rigged their PoB to add the new EH skill, or faked the conversions through other means. Last edited by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on May 31, 2018, 10:38:30 PM	Posted by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on May 31, 2018, 10:35:36 PM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" Abdiel_Kavash wrote: Without conversion, you do EITHER the fire hit OR the cold hit OR the lightning hit. One at a time. With full conversion, you do the damage of all three hits combined, with every hit. This makes absolutely no sense to me. Everywhere else in the game, 'No' Prioritizes over everything so damage shouldn't be converted. You would convert effectively no damage, because you can't deal that type of damage. I don't think this is correct at all. GGG makes some egregious errors but nobody can be this daft. Shouldn't "Deals No Damage of other damage types" take priority over the conversion? If not it would be the only place in the game where "No" doesn't take priority.	Posted by Prizy#1622 on May 31, 2018, 10:39:55 PM Quote this Post
" Prizy wrote: " Abdiel_Kavash wrote: Without conversion, you do EITHER the fire hit OR the cold hit OR the lightning hit. One at a time. With full conversion, you do the damage of all three hits combined, with every hit. This makes absolutely no sense to me. Everywhere else in the game, 'No' Prioritizes over everything so damage shouldn't be converted. You would convert effectively no damage, because you can't deal that type of damage. I don't think this is correct at all. GGG makes some egregious errors but nobody can be this daft. Shouldn't "Deals No Damage of other damage types" take priority over the conversion? If not it would be the only place in the game where "No" doesn't take priority. It doesn't take priority over anything. If you convert 100% of Cold damage to Fire, you deal no Cold damage already - with or without any additional modifiers. "Deal no Cold damage" will not change anything. By the time "Deal no X damage" is applied, the game does not know where any of your damage came from, it just sees you are trying to deal damage of some type(s). Avatar of Fire would be a really really terrible choice if it worked in the way you describe. The reworked Elemental Hit uses exactly the same mechanic. See this chain of comments by Mark_GGG. Last edited by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on May 31, 2018, 10:46:29 PM	Posted by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on May 31, 2018, 10:41:35 PM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" This makes absolutely no sense to me. Everywhere else in the game, 'No' Prioritizes over everything so damage shouldn't be converted. You would convert effectively no damage, because you can't deal that type of damage. I don't think this is correct at all. GGG makes some egregious errors but nobody can be this daft. Shouldn't "Deals No Damage of other damage types" take priority over the conversion? If not it would be the only place in the game where "No" doesn't take priority. He is right about the conversion working, it has been confirmed by GGG. THe thing i dont get is that i still get much higher dps on 2 ele than 1 with full gear towards conversion instead of damage. Either i'm wrong or everybody else is on this so its probably me i just want proof. which ascendency, weapons makes it work?	Posted by HellRaven#2451 on May 31, 2018, 10:48:38 PM Quote this Post
Maybe you missed my answer above since I edited it: " Abdiel_Kavash wrote: [Edit] Misread your question. Indeed as adghar says, PoB still uses the old version of Elemental Hit, which works in a completely different way. People have either rigged their PoB to add the new EH skill, or faked the conversions through other means. You will not get anything near relevant numbers in PoB unless you hack it in somehow. Last edited by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on May 31, 2018, 10:54:24 PM	Posted by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on May 31, 2018, 10:53:34 PM Valued Poster Quote this Post
These devs have to be daft. I can't believe they would allow that kind of ridiculous damage. Block cold. Block lightning. Convert everything to fire and you get 3x the damage? Who the fuck tests this stuff seriously lol.	Posted by Prizy#1622 on May 31, 2018, 10:59:39 PM Quote this Post
" HellRaven wrote: i just want proof. Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/8mi3cu/shower_thought_the_new_elemental_hit_will_have/dzosxpt/ " Mark_GGG wrote: " So, correct me if I'm wrong in this theoretical scenario: We assume Elemental Hit deals no physical damage and each elemental always does 100 damage for reasons. We somehow have 100% Lightning Damage Converted to Cold Damage. Our damages are: 100 Fire, 0 Lightning, 200 Cold when rolled without a blocking jewel? yes " Mark_GGG wrote: " If you block Lightning, do you still deal 200 Cold when the jewel chooses Cold? Yes. It only prevents it choosing lightning, it doesn't do anything else. It's not too difficult to go from there and extrapolate that if you have 100% of all damage converted to fire such as with CotB and Cold to Fire and such - then you get triple base damage on Elemental Hit. Need game info? Check out the Wiki at: https://www.poewiki.net/ Contact support@grindinggear.com for account issues. Check out How to Report Bugs + Post Images at: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/18347	Posted by adghar#1824 on May 31, 2018, 11:07:59 PM Quote this Post