Mathil's Analysis on current status of this league.

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Orbaal wrote:
Found it.

Its in the Ziz AMA Interview.
About 7min into it

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Ziz: I'm still so happy you said "dozen more years." Like, I have a job for dozen more years, this is great. (Chris: Well, hopefully longer!) Great to hear it. I play Path of Exile a lot. Again, on the leagues, what about reworking, a lot of people have asked about Prophecy, and stuff like that. Is that something you want to go back and add more to?

Chris: Yeah, it is. There's actually a big Reddit thread about this this morning that I kind of wanted to address. (Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7q4sb9/1_for_rework_of_old_content_instead_of_new/ ) The thread is basically people saying -- This is a common thing they say, that they would love for us to take a cycle, and just improve the old stuff in the game, like basically for our expansion announcement to be, "Hey guys! There is no expansion. But look at this big list of changes!" And then that list of changes would make everyone happy. This is a common thing that's requested. Now, we want to achieve this, but not in exactly the way that they're asking. If we said, "Guys, there is no expansion, here's some changes," without a doubt, that improves the game. But, I one hundred percent guarantee you it will significantly hurt the company financially.
We need the releases because we need the influx of returning players. The company can make money and it's good, but not at the end of the league; when people are waiting for the next one, the company is not making money. And so, it's important that we have new exciting releases.




Ah. So he directly admits that money is more important than making PoE a good game. I think I just lost the last shred of hope of PoE utilizing its immense potential and becoming something absolutely amazing.

There was a time when GGG said that they were making PoE a game that THEY want to play. I see none of that left in this statement.
Well the companies financial well being has to be top priority.
Cant blame him for that.

All he said is:
They wont skip a league in order to rework old content, but they want to achieve this in another way. Would love to know what way he is talking about though...
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Anonymous1749704 wrote:

Ah. So he directly admits that money is more important than making PoE a good game. I think I just lost the last shred of hope of PoE utilizing its immense potential and becoming something absolutely amazing.

There was a time when GGG said that they were making PoE a game that THEY want to play. I see none of that left in this statement.


Are you serious? We're talking about a lot of jobs here, and the future of a lot of people. Having this business model REQUIRES additions, changes and new stuff. Being ignorant about it, and demand that they work on the game "for free", while living in tents, isn't really helping anyone.

He didn't admit to anything of what you said. You just chose to interpret it that way.

That said, I think (read: hope) a new Legacy League or Breach League would created enough "influx of returning players" to stay afloat while the make their game better.
Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
I'm happy to help them out financially. I'm standing here ready to pay them for their work. All they need to do is give me that alternative to Xsolla that Chris mentioned a few month ago now...

<crickets>

I really like the idea of another Leaguestones league... but that shit is like crack. Months after the first taste I'm still hungry for it! If GGG gave me another Leaguestones event and offered me a payment alternative, I would rain money down upon them! I don't care that it's empty carbs, offering nothing of nutritional value, I would gobble that stuff up :)

Hell, you could even give me another Power Rangers set of armour for the challenges and I would even love that!
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Aldora_the_Summoner wrote:
I'm happy to help them out financially. I'm standing here ready to pay them for their work. All they need to do is give me that alternative to Xsolla that Chris mentioned a few month ago now...

<crickets>

I really like the idea of another Leaguestones league... but that shit is like crack. Months after the first taste I'm still hungry for it! If GGG gave me another Leaguestones event and offered me a payment alternative, I would rain money down upon them! I don't care that it's empty carbs, offering nothing of nutritional value, I would gobble that stuff up :)

Hell, you could even give me another Power Rangers set of armour for the challenges and I would even love that!


They´d want the money upfront to avoid any risk.
Thats why I suggested those kickstarter like supporter packs and I like the idea of combining it with Legacy League. Old and readily available content everybody loved (except for the clunky stone management maybe) because you were free to do whatever you like.

So that might be good enough reason for players to come back and buy those supporter packs even if they dont care about the overhaul.
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Orbaal wrote:
Well the companies financial well being has to be top priority.
Cant blame him for that.



ya, and its not just his pockets, or his staffs wages, his top priority to us the gamers who have invested time in this game is that we wake up tomorrow and theres still a game with servers and all our items online for us to play with a full support team making sure if it goes down it comes right back up again.

the game continuing to exist is the number 1 priority for everyone in the poe picture.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Orbaal wrote:
Well the companies financial well being has to be top priority.
Cant blame him for that.


Am not.

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Phrazz wrote:
Are you serious? We're talking about a lot of jobs here, and the future of a lot of people. Having this business model REQUIRES additions, changes and new stuff. Being ignorant about it, and demand that they work on the game "for free", while living in tents, isn't really helping anyone.


Yeah yeah yeah, that sounds so cool and what not. And I couldn't care less about any of that. As a gamer, what I care about is Path of Exile the game, not whether the company behind the game can pay wages to their employees. People who throw money at GGG support PoE, not GGG as a company. This is a gamer's privilege. If GGG dropped PoE and started making a completely different game, how many people would stop throwing money at them?

That said, I do understand why GGG is doing what they do. This doesn't mean I agree or accept those actions though; long ago PoE was an unpolished diamond, but somewhere mid-polishing it was thrown into a pigsty and all the dirt was allowed to free accumulate into it. There were options, different routes they could've taken, but GGG decided to go down the route that lead into today's PoE. Talking about how many jobs are on the line doesn't lighten my disappointment about how GGG seems to now consider PoE a fat moneymaking machine and not much more.
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Anonymous1749704 wrote:

Yeah yeah yeah, that sounds so cool and what not. And I couldn't care less about any of that. As a gamer, what I care about is Path of Exile the game, not whether the company behind the game can pay wages to their employees.


Still ignorant. Even more ignorant.

Without the company there is no PoE. I didn't think I had to spell this out to a grown man/woman. And the F2P model requires a certain amount of new content, because of advertisement towards new players, and carrots towards old (returning) players. Even though YOU think A LOT of players would come back to a three month league without any new additions, this might not be the case. There's even a huge part of the community that thinks three months are too long.

Even though you see it from a consumer perspective, and only care about what YOU want, it IS allowed to think a little bit further than your own nose.

While other companies have lots of games that keeps bringing in money all the time, GGG has not. But as you so eloquently put it; "you couldn't care less", which makes your arguments a little bit... Narrow.
Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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GGG's business side of things affects my opinion of the state of PoE about as much as Kojima getting the boot affected my gameplay experience of MGSV.

But yeah, you're clearly a pureblood fanboy. No point talking to you.
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Anonymous1749704 wrote:
GGG's business side of things affects my opinion of the state of PoE about as much as Kojima getting the boot affected my gameplay experience of MGSV.

But yeah, you're clearly a pureblood fanboy. No point talking to you.


LOL and how's konami doing nowdays? I heard latest mgs game without kojima at head was a smashing success for konami.

And you are now equating company with one lead designer. If you said you wouldn't care if chris left ggg, ok, I could get that, but if GGG is not profitable, there won't be PoE anymore.

Incredible that you need this explained to you.
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