Dear animal lovers.

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essemoni wrote:

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Cmon that was a nice post.

It wouldn't have impact but it was a nice sentiment :)

Peace,

-Boem-

Eh...should we treat a monster as an animal ?

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Boem wrote:

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essemoni wrote:

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Cmon that was a nice post.

It wouldn't have impact but it was a nice sentiment :)

Peace,

-Boem-

Thanks mate,

The point I was trying to make, was that video games do desensitise people (some anyways) and violence for violence sake without context can actually be pretty bad.

And yeah - it was a bitchy angry post and wouldn't have made an impact, but sometimes I like to stir the shit bucket with a big wooden paddle.

Matt.

PS. Its was a list from google scholar that I quickly alpha sorted.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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morbo wrote:

Simply because animals cannot be "evil", they just have instincts.

Dude, animals can very much be evil. You got a twisted perception of reality.

Animals torture, murder, terrorize. It's not only humans capable of such things.

But maybe one too many cartoons have taught you that animals are just fleshy robots.

Good and evil are concepts that only exist because of human intelligence. We like to label things. Outside of human perception, 'good' and 'evil' don't actually exists. Especially in nature.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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morbo wrote:

Simply because animals cannot be "evil", they just have instincts.

Dude, animals can very much be evil. You got a twisted perception of reality.

Animals torture, murder, terrorize. It's not only humans capable of such things.

But maybe one too many cartoons have taught you that animals are just fleshy robots.

Good and evil are concepts that only exist because of human intelligence. We like to label things. Outside of human perception, 'good' and 'evil' don't actually exists. Especially in nature.

^This.

A monkey literally scraping the meat with his bare hands of another monkey that is still alive isn't "evil", it's just instinct to dominate and remove somebody from the alpha list increasing his odds of reproduction.

There is no pre-determined plan to do so.

We view it as evil since we project our own "form" of intelligence on the animal in question. And we ourselves would not be capable of such an act without "evil intent".

Humans are probably the only species alive that kill for pleasure. I can't readily come up with a case where this happens in nature.

Peace,

-Boem-

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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morbo wrote:

Simply because animals cannot be "evil", they just have instincts.

Dude, animals can very much be evil. You got a twisted perception of reality.

Animals torture, murder, terrorize. It's not only humans capable of such things.

Eh, can you show some examples of animals "torturing" or "terroising" others for the sake of it, that has no other purpose or is not filtered through your human perception?

I've seen cats "torture" mice and rats plenty of times, except it is not really "evil torture". A (usually female) cat would bring back the prey alive so that her babies would play and learn with it. Female cats keep this behaviour even when sterilised and dont have actual babies.

Let me ask you this: would you seek revenge if a dog bit you "for no reason", the same way as you would seek revenge if a guy hit you "for no reason"? Do you blame an animal equally as you'd blame a human?

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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morbo wrote:

Simply because animals cannot be "evil", they just have instincts.

Dude, animals can very much be evil. You got a twisted perception of reality.

Animals torture, murder, terrorize. It's not only humans capable of such things.

Eh, can you show some examples of animals "torturing" or "terroising" others for the sake of it, that has no other purpose or is not filtered through your human perception?

I've seen cats "torture" mice and rats plenty of times, except it is not really "evil torture". A (usually female) cat would bring back the prey alive so that her babies would play and learn with it. Female cats keep this behaviour even when sterilised and dont have actual babies.

Let me ask you this: would you seek revenge if a dog bit you "for no reason", the same way as you would seek revenge if a guy hit you "for no reason"? Do you blame an animal equally as you'd blame a human?

The young cat's do not "play" with it. They learn necessary hunting skills to survive in the world.

We view it as play, but it's a necessity for survival. Similarly to how we let our children "play" with a football in order to learn basic motor skills and enhance their perception of action/reaction and strategy perception.(actions in relation to time)

"Play" is one of the fundamental necessity's for development of children of any species.

But the word itself sort of undervalue's the importance of the act in my opinion.

Peace,

-Boem-

You must also remind them that they are not real and made out of pixels.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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morbo wrote:

Simply because animals cannot be "evil", they just have instincts.

Dude, animals can very much be evil. You got a twisted perception of reality.

Animals torture, murder, terrorize. It's not only humans capable of such things.

But maybe one too many cartoons have taught you that animals are just fleshy robots.

It's especially important to note that humans are animals. The only thing allowing people to say things like "animals can't be evil" is a particularly bad case of human exceptionalism. Some of our fellow animals on this planet are quite intelligent. They can have social and moral values just like we do. The difference between humans and non-human animals isn't anywhere near as large as most people think.

From here, one of tons of articles and papers on morality among non-human animals:

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Recent neurology work has also revealed that distantly related mammals such as whales and dolphins have the same structures in their brains that are thought to be responsible for empathy in humans. ... "Human morality was not formed from scratch, but grew out of our primate psychology."

As far as vegans go, I'd imagine almost all of us are well aware that this is a video game. I'm fine killing thousands of porcupine goliaths for the same reason I'm fine trapping Sims characters in a swimming pool with no ladder. When I'm done playing and close the game, I'm still aware that it's monstrously evil to hurt other sentient beings unnecessarily. The game doesn't change that.

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I_NO wrote:

Apparently some members of my crew think this is cruel to kill animals in path of exile and got disturbed.

I must remind you that these animals are corrupted and blood thirsty they seek to eat your flesh and consume your babies they are not your friends they are evil monsters that must be disposed of / sacrificed.

That is all!

Absolutely ridiculous IMO. It's a video game. Why is this five pages of debating and discussing the moral implications of hurting animals etc? Too funny.

Peace,

-Boem-