It makes no sense that we can't bind all our flasks on one button!

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Demonoz wrote:

...So i cant really understand how anyone does this pop sickle stick stuff without the same issue. Unless again this is an issue with my keyboard or something.

I am pretty sure my keyboard lets me "blow" all flasks at once (~for example using credit card or something of appropriate length and strength). Will try to confirm, interesting topic.

I don't really see how it's a huge deal "needing" to press each flask individually. Most people only use one-two skills as it is. Are we getting that lazy? Hell I'm bad at the game and even I can just hold down the right click button and aim my way through a map now.

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frenzul wrote:

I don't really see how it's a huge deal "needing" to press each flask individually. Most people only use one-two skills as it is. Are we getting that lazy? Hell I'm bad at the game and even I can just hold down the right click button and aim my way through a map now.

painful when playing a MoM spellcaster build in this new meta believe me. Le old finger play

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GraydingEarJames wrote:

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frenzul wrote:

I don't really see how it's a huge deal "needing" to press each flask individually. Most people only use one-two skills as it is. Are we getting that lazy? Hell I'm bad at the game and even I can just hold down the right click button and aim my way through a map now.

painful when playing a MoM spellcaster build in this new meta believe me. Le old finger play

I don't know what that means, but I'm glad to hear people still press buttons. I swear I keep getting notifications on my phone of someone on youtube showcasing a build that goes faster and faster. Here I am running through a map like a fat kid in sweatpants and there are people with 400% runspeed.

Hurts my brain.

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frenzul wrote:

Tape a popsicle stick over 1-2-3-4-5.

Previously confirmed as bannable by support.

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Mythkiller wrote:

Almost impossible to prove. You could be using 5 fingers to hit them simultaneously.

I'd be fairly sure they can log stuff like the times the flasks are used, if they get someone playing for a day and every single flask use is all 5 at the same time over hundreds of uses because popsicle stick/macro i'd be fairly certain that it would show over doing it manual as you are prone to not hitting it all at the same time.

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aldorus wrote:

Why dance around the issue - PoE is monitoring and reporting programs you are running along PoE, therefore, that AHK script might or might not get you into trouble somewhere down the line.

Is that the reason its performance is so bad?

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aldorus wrote:

Why dance around the issue - PoE is monitoring and reporting programs you are running along PoE, therefore, that AHK script might or might not get you into trouble somewhere down the line.

Do you have proof of this?

If there's any evidence of that I'd be very interested in seeing it.

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aldorus wrote:

In this particular case, I recommend buying some specialized gaming keyboard that allows some basic scripting like this right through its drivers, therefore making it much less "black/white" situation.

How so?

I see no relevance to which software you use to break the rules; either they're broken or they're not. If GGG notice you consistently send five commands at precisely the same time they're not obligated to tell you (or know) how you managed to achieve that.

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aldorus wrote:

For me, there is a white zone, gray zone and black zone of AHK scripting, but officially, as far as I am aware, for GGG AHK is black zone no matter what you actually script. Other thing is how often they really punish anybody for using it.

Your zones don't necessarily exist for others, however.

If AHK weren't allowed, you'd think GGG would've taken action against this thread before it gathered 54 pages of responses, or maybe this thread with 36 pages of replies. Certainly, if AHK is totally disallowed then this post by Chris is very misleading. You'd think he'd bother to mention it being against the rules when it's literally the topic of the thread he's posting in.

If you use AHK for something harmless (e.g. the /oos command), GGG won't ban you just because they don't like the name of the program. If you find another way of using macros which aren't allowed, they won't not ban you just because you didn't use AHK.

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Sarno wrote:

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aldorus wrote:

Why dance around the issue - PoE is monitoring and reporting programs you are running along PoE, therefore, that AHK script might or might not get you into trouble somewhere down the line.

Do you have proof of this?

If there's any evidence of that I'd be very interested in seeing it.

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aldorus wrote:

In this particular case, I recommend buying some specialized gaming keyboard that allows some basic scripting like this right through its drivers, therefore making it much less "black/white" situation.

How so?

I see no relevance to which software you use to break the rules; either they're broken or they're not. If GGG notice you consistently send five commands at precisely the same time they're not obligated to tell you (or know) how you managed to achieve that.

Sarno is being extremely kind to you. The less gentle, less hopeful version that doesn't assume you are smart enough to figure this out yourself is this:

Detecting bad behaviour is done on the server, pretty much universally. Some client-side detection can add on to that, but at heart, you literally cannot trust anything the client tells you. After all, a rootkit can hide your cheat software just as well as it can any other hostile software, and cheat-vs-anti-cheat is absolutely a situation in which you have an attacker (the player) and a defender (the game) in play.

On the server side, based on things like event patterns, you have no concerns like that. You simply flag anyone who, for example, triggers all flasks with less that a certain amount of deviation from the exact timing, or who has sufficiently low inter-flask activation variation, and then look further to figure out if this is the pattern of automatic activation.

So, the idea that using a "hardware" solution rather than a "software" solution will protect you in the slightest is, simply put, foolish. Nobody cares what you use to cheat, software, hardware macros, a literal popsicle stick. You will get the same ban, from the same detection system, all working purely on the server side.

You will also get the exact same level of sympathy from either GGG support, or players here, when you post about how unfair it is, and how you totally didn't do anything wrong, which is to say ... none.

You can't rules lawyer around this, and no matter how smart you think you are suggesting "what about a popsicle stick? what about developing an AI that presses the buttons for me?", you are just another fool saying the same, boring, unoriginal thing.

The rules are simple. Stop trying to find the loophole that doesn't exist.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

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frenzul wrote:

Tape a popsicle stick over 1-2-3-4-5.

Previously confirmed as bannable by support.

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Mythkiller wrote:

Almost impossible to prove. You could be using 5 fingers to hit them simultaneously.

I'd be fairly sure they can log stuff like the times the flasks are used, if they get someone playing for a day and every single flask use is all 5 at the same time over hundreds of uses because popsicle stick/macro i'd be fairly certain that it would show over doing it manual as you are prone to not hitting it all at the same time.

And honestly, given how much trouble it is causing, why not simply make it a feature? Why go into banning people for using a popsicle stick to use their flasks?

And how do they get certain that the keyboards register the keypresses accurately and do provide the variations regardless of keyboard type?

I tend to always use ALL my 5 potions at the same time, due to most of them being offensive ones, and Forbidden Taste does a marvellous job at keeping me alive to "feel" the buffs.

Now I also play from a notebook with an integrated keyboard which has a mediocre performance compared to my dedicated mechanical keyboard, a Qpad MK-90, and the precision regarding the measurement in milliseconds of keystroke presses is at a night and day difference.

So let me ask you again, what GUARANTEES does GGG provide me regarding that IF I keep pressing the pots 1-5 at the same time it isn't seen as a "macro script" as that is a hardware related limitation of my preferred device for playing PoE?

Let me restate that using all the flasks at disposal at the same time is NOT IMPEDED IN ANY WAY BY PoE, heck, due to the "recent" boosted number of uses on the "all powerful unique flasks", you're actually encouraged to apply said method.

And if I may, it should be a feature, just like @Perq so kindly explained:

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Perq wrote:

There is an easier way - implement it into the game as a feature. Give players 5 keys to bind their flasks, which includes binding one key to more than one flask (but not more than one key for a single flask). There you have it - no support, no discussion, no macros. Clean and easy. Also includes some decision making. How nice is that?

There is no need for a "macro stigmata" when this can be one of the "essential features" instead.

And flask usage affects general playstyle concerns a lot less that your regular MS of choice + Fortify spam...

PS: Not everyone tends to play a "Flaskfinder" to abuse the said "potions", some of us do have to finish a long fight starting with 2/3 uses and maybe a refill along the fight...