[3.0] [HSC] 10 Mil DPS Wander Showcase

Show a shaper run from start to finish without cuts. You think you can get sub 5 minutes with 5 damage flasks? ST Dps is meaningless without aoe clear, movespeed and long term survivalbility.

PoB has turned the class forums into a weenie measuring contest where builds are no longer functional outside of shaper dps clips.

map clear performance is just about evasion scaling with flasks for queen of the forest + phase run/enhance. any wander can be converted into 400 movespeed build with queen of the forest and slightly above average evasion gear.

the problem with the build is it's having 4.5k life and extremely inflated dps on pob with stuff you can't clearly trigger in boss rooms. 5 frenzy charges as pathfinder? or am i missing something there? However, he didn't claim that this is THE build that everybody has to be using or this is the best setup ever possible for a wander. it's a semi showcase mixed with some information. some people like to play glass cannon edgy builds, that's all.

thand actually there are some bad decisions(from my perspective) he took while making the build, nothing major though.

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Toma_Hawk wrote:

@oniminion
Oh come one, the argument of gear level is pointless, if he (and many other's can and could) get hundred's ex worth of gear, getting t1 life is no big deal.
In fact with 3.0 you can even get hybrid life rolls.

Showing mapclear is infact that clearing a map truly prove's the capability of a build.
Since you can simply burst down shaper or any other bosses before they can do anything.
What's the point of proving that?
Not sure if OP or another guy, saw some stream whith similar, if not the same setup.
Claimed to have 10 mill. dps. killed guardian and shaper really fast no doubt.

But then.. ripped offscreen by an random attack of a rare mob lol..

The "who is dealing more DEEPS competition" it not my kind of playground.

My point is simply to do some research before claiming such things as 4.5k life more is not possible as wanders..

I didn't say 'not possible', you're bending my words out of context at this point. I said it's more than most could achieve, never said it was out of reach. Most wander builds use a lot of uniques, like Tempest's Bindings, Lycosidae, Esh's Mirror. Some of them uses IIQ items which don't have any life at all.

'Rip offscreen' happened to everyone once in a while, so what's your point? Claiming a build needs more life just for one random death? That's a bit hasty to jump to conclusion, isn't it? I get that you are able to have the DPS that match your high life, but have you looked up the prices of wander items that has life? They're not cheap. And most passive tree route have 150% life, 160% at most. So if you can squeeze 5.8k life, then good for you, but that doesn't mean you can criticize a build to be bad for having less than that.

And by the way, KB can clear very well. I'm sure you know this already. My starter wander build had trash gear at best and still cleared very comfortably, so yeah, gear level doesn't affect KB's performance, only your survivability.

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oniminion wrote:

For someone who lives off the scraps of past leagues by playing half-assedly in Standard, I think you're being overly critical and negative towards a build showcase, not a build guide. There are points that he has specifically addressed, such as the reason to why he ticked 'Enemy is Intimidated', which is for the Increased Damage Taken mod simulation from Vinktar. And he added price tags to his gear is to provide viewers more insight on his total budget, which a lot of build guides out there don't. How much he paid for them doesn't matter, prices changed over the course of the league, it's not static, and he payeds willingly so what's the point of thrashing?

FYI, nobody cares if you're 5 times richer than he is, because you are in Standard. Donations from League-only players, probably? Or constantly flipping currency and league-specific items? Either way, nobody cares. Have fun staring at 3k exalts rotting in your Standard stash tab.

Lol sure im living from the only league ive ever .... talisman seriously DANK joke there... U know not everyone can no life every first 3 week of the league so i rather play STD because i have a busy IRL job.

Being negatie?????? LMAO WTS thread more then a build guide/inflated POB..... Damn look at that critic so harsh Kappa

I would mind all the inflated stuff if everyone else was doing the same... Beside that MAX dmg stuff is kinda stupid because the time it take u to setup everything (2-3sec) u would already have killed shaper.

Also i like the ( STD player so what u say is stupid....) Also im suprised u didn't include RMT with ur accusation of flipping or getting donation nice MEME.

But its ok u can defend whatever u want its ur choice

U know if he would have made those tiny change i would have deleted all my comment but..... at least some ppl like pNR n ahfack can take critic w/o crying.

I think you missed my point. There are standard players that play the game, there are those who like to craft mirror items, but then there are people who sits around with tons of currency in their tabs from wherever nobody knows. I believe with that amount of currency in hand, you should be more capable of giving a more sounding and convincing comment. But like you said, everyone can defend whatever you choose.

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Nephalim wrote:

Show a shaper run from start to finish without cuts. You think you can get sub 5 minutes with 5 damage flasks? ST Dps is meaningless without aoe clear, movespeed and long term survivalbility.

PoB has turned the class forums into a weenie measuring contest where builds are no longer functional outside of shaper dps clips.

Double standard much? From 'sub 5-minute Shaper run' to 'DPS calculation from PoB', what's the difference? Or who is really to say which is better than the other in term of measuring a good build? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but not with this negativity and bigotry. I think everyone in the community appreciates how helpful PoB is, and whether the numbers are correct or not, it gives us the approximation of the damage output one should expect, and that's more than many can ask for.

Remember before PoB when everyone talks about 'Mathil 4k life build'? Since when 4k life is bad?

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oniminion wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Show a shaper run from start to finish without cuts. You think you can get sub 5 minutes with 5 damage flasks? ST Dps is meaningless without aoe clear, movespeed and long term survivalbility.

PoB has turned the class forums into a weenie measuring contest where builds are no longer functional outside of shaper dps clips.

Double standard much? From 'sub 5-minute Shaper run' to 'DPS calculation from PoB', what's the difference? Or who is really to say which is better than the other in term of measuring a good build? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but not with this negativity and bigotry. I think everyone in the community appreciates how helpful PoB is, and whether the numbers are correct or not, it gives us the approximation of the damage output one should expect, and that's more than many can ask for.

Remember before PoB when everyone talks about 'Mathil 4k life build'? Since when 4k life is bad?

Did you just compare inflated PoB dps values with map run time and ask which was better in measuring build power?

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Nephalim wrote:

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oniminion wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Show a shaper run from start to finish without cuts. You think you can get sub 5 minutes with 5 damage flasks? ST Dps is meaningless without aoe clear, movespeed and long term survivalbility.

PoB has turned the class forums into a weenie measuring contest where builds are no longer functional outside of shaper dps clips.

Double standard much? From 'sub 5-minute Shaper run' to 'DPS calculation from PoB', what's the difference? Or who is really to say which is better than the other in term of measuring a good build? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but not with this negativity and bigotry. I think everyone in the community appreciates how helpful PoB is, and whether the numbers are correct or not, it gives us the approximation of the damage output one should expect, and that's more than many can ask for.

Remember before PoB when everyone talks about 'Mathil 4k life build'? Since when 4k life is bad?

Did you just compare inflated PoB dps values with map run time and ask which was better in measuring build power?

My take on his comment is that noone really uses pob values when talking about their clear speed; its more geared towards boss dps. Hence 10m barrage dps, which you don't use to clear maps. Ever. So yes you can quite literally compare builds in regards to bossing vs mapping. Even if he isn't, a build with more dps and more life can still feel like ass compared to more evasion, which is the route some people choose.

Also frenzy charges from tempest binding

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Nephalim wrote:

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oniminion wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Show a shaper run from start to finish without cuts. You think you can get sub 5 minutes with 5 damage flasks? ST Dps is meaningless without aoe clear, movespeed and long term survivalbility.

PoB has turned the class forums into a weenie measuring contest where builds are no longer functional outside of shaper dps clips.

Double standard much? From 'sub 5-minute Shaper run' to 'DPS calculation from PoB', what's the difference? Or who is really to say which is better than the other in term of measuring a good build? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but not with this negativity and bigotry. I think everyone in the community appreciates how helpful PoB is, and whether the numbers are correct or not, it gives us the approximation of the damage output one should expect, and that's more than many can ask for.

Remember before PoB when everyone talks about 'Mathil 4k life build'? Since when 4k life is bad?

Did you just compare inflated PoB dps values with map run time and ask which was better in measuring build power?

Of course there are cases where people would abuse PoB's options to inflate their DPS, but this build showcase didn't. If you actually open his pastebin, he only chose the most basic ones like Frenzy Charges or Point Blank. Assuming everyone inflates their DPS is quite presumptuous of you.

You're hopeless. Single target dps is a narrow measure while clear speed encompass nearly everything important about a build. If he wants to demonstrate the power of his build, record a full T16 and full shaper run instead of 4 second burst dps clips.

Anyone who thinks different should go back to poe 1.2 when all people cared about was tooltip dps.

Not sure what you would expect from yet another wander build's map clear video. But if you are insistent, try asking nicely next time, or simply ask without inserting bigoted comments.