An appropriate downside for Vaal Pact

These ideas are terrible and half of you don't belong in a feedback forum, lol.

Here's a crazy idea I know, if berserker leech is so game breaking.. why not just change berserker leech? Mind blown.

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DreadlordMephisto wrote:

anybody who is crying remove vaal pact obviously doesn't know the mechanics of the game and why things are in place the way they are.

You called yourself enough knowledgeable, yes? So why VP completely ignoring 'life leech rate' and do nothing with that important leech state? Why VP do not transfer 'life leech rate' to something else?

'Berserk is stupid', but you know, their insane life leech do nothing with leech rate, so without VP is not so strong, because leech are capped.

Also why somebody can get instaheal without additional investment into leech rate or something similar?

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Miazga wrote:

- add "unique flasks have no effect" (automaticly resolves the VP + flasks spam)
- additional leech from ascendancy do not apply to instant leech (fixes zerker and slayer)

Again, many similar suggestion do normal things weaker. Why? Because their strong with VP. Delete VP and all of them be less broken or not broken at all.

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DoEFotGS wrote:

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DreadlordMephisto wrote:

anybody who is crying remove vaal pact obviously doesn't know the mechanics of the game and why things are in place the way they are.

You called yourself enough knowledgeable, yes? So why VP completely ignoring 'life leech rate' and do nothing with that important leech state? Why VP do not transfer 'life leech rate' to something else?

'Berserk is stupid', but you know, their insane life leech do nothing with leech rate, so without VP is not so strong, because leech are capped.

Also why somebody can get instaheal without additional investment into leech rate or something similar?


Because life leech rate gets thrown out the door if the leech is instant?... The complete drawback of Vaal pact is life regeneration doesn't work, if you aren't attacking. You aren't leeching.

And for those who think Vaal Pact is overpowered, I see people with vaal pact still die simply for the fact when they dodge around they arent leeching and sometimes get put into a situation where their flasks are down and poof vaal pacter dead.

I think the main issue with VP is the complete absence of limits
Add to it "X% less leech rate" so only builds with extremely high damage can benefit from it and remove the instant leech to make it obey the normal leech max rate

To balance the loss of life regen add "X life per level to max leech rate" the flat life to max leech rate will benefit builds with low max HP more than high HP ones and to counter the issue with too much power in a single node add 3 nodes behind it with extra "X life per level to max leech rate"

This way VP will not be able to max your life in a split of second and will be more effective to the builds native to that area

To regeneration builds, I think they need another way to survive other than VP, I would add a keystone between Berserker and Duelist that allow some of the damage from hits being taken over few seconds. This would reduce the one-shots and make regeneration and normal leech more effective without buffing RF

Give VP life leech simple fix/cap:

Your maximum life leech is capped at 1% of your damage.

So you can get instant leech, yet it will be really limited. Also it will not favorize any class in this solution. The value is to discuss, it can be 0,5% or 2% or 3%.

The synergy between Berserker and VP is definitely too much. This much should be fairly evident at this point.

But try to look at VP (or Atziri's Acuity) from the perspective of something besides Berserker. It's still super strong and in my opinion too strong.

As suggested earlier in thread
- the old 60% leech efficiency (or a cap on 1%)
and / or
- VP suppresses life recovery from flasks

or maybe negative life regen ala. blood rage.

These ideas might be the best ever but too me it's clear that VP is abused too much. It needs a real downside (like almost all other Keynodes have).

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DreadlordMephisto wrote:

Because life leech rate gets thrown out the door if the leech is instant?... The complete drawback of Vaal pact is life regeneration doesn't work, if you aren't attacking. You aren't leeching.

Not enough. Best survival mechanic in the game - life leech. Even without vaal pact your leech most of the time stronger than regen. I played a couple of character that have no VP and can't run blood rage without lose their HP. And I think that 'life regen have no effect' is not enought to VP, because their makes your leech ignore his most important balancing part.

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DreadlordMephisto wrote:

And for those who think Vaal Pact is overpowered, I see people with vaal pact still die simply for the fact when they dodge around they arent leeching and sometimes get put into a situation where their flasks are down and poof vaal pacter dead.

Because you can't balanced entire game while game have instant full heal options. Game still must kill you and only two way remains - oneshots or insane numbers of damage sources that deal damage.

Sadly what you just don't understand that easy thing.

Oh, yes, and same argument can be apply to logout macro :'D