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Even more?! That recovery mechanic has received nothing but buffs though items, ascendancies and even things like consecrated ground (recently) and all that did was creating RF meta.
Give us more environmental degen stuff and VP will die.
Perception is reality.
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Posted bywidardd#5398on Oct 17, 2017, 8:23:53 AM
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...because it warps opposing content for everyone and ultimately leaves the gameplay shallower. You're blind if you can't see that the game has become balanced around oneshot mechs, and the very reason for that is because oneshots are effectively the only thing (besides being leechproof) that can threaten instant leech builds. Besides ubiquitous oneshots being a shitty excuse for 'difficulty' in this day and age, that balance winds up collaterally hurting any non-instant-leech builds, which are equally as threatened by those oneshots as well as by many other damage sources that vp can ignore.
no argument there, but if vaal pact was the only way of dealing with that there wouldnt be so many miner/totem/slayer/etc builds around that dont run it and still destroy any content
sure if you take out the insane damage spikes then you dont need vaal pact, but removing just vaal pact would only make the problem worse
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Posted byshaunika90#5422on Oct 17, 2017, 9:02:57 AM
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Too bad that VP wasn't the issue but huge ES pool CI builds with instant Leech which made it hard to get you killed.
Guess what Berserker does. You can just build HP and have the same thing. VP isn't the issue, imbalances in other areas are.
Main offender for a long time: Berserker. It's now suddenly META because GGG fucked the most OP thing and now people switched to the next one closest to it. And here we are with all the Dark Pact/RF Berserkers and whatnot.
People still opt for other more solid and safer choices, hence why Necromancer was the number 1 pick.
You have no clue about anything.
LOL, that's some brilliant mental gymnastics there. 'VP wasn't the issue, it was just huge ES pool with instant leech that was the problem. Now it's huge life pools with instant leech that are a problem, but it's totally not related to the instant leech or anything'. And you say *I've* got no clue?
Yeah, there's other imbalanced stuff too, but VP is right at the top of the list.
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Posted byShppy#6163on Oct 17, 2017, 2:59:50 PM
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Why is vaal pact such a hot topic?
Because of Berserker.
People think VP is op because there's 1 Ascendancy practically built for it and few others that work well with it, too. That doesn't make VP imbalanced, it's the Ascendancies who are.
VP is mandatory if you want to make a cheap build that can at least try to survive by getting some Leech, disregarding other defences, but by doing so you end up squishier than a well-rounded build (but it has the advantage of being cheaper). It's a price you pay and people are not prepared to accept this as fact.
VP is great. Berserker is stupid. And people who can't see that are as well.
Are you serious?
GGG already nerfed Ghost Reaver and ES pool. So before 3.0 VP was great and GR and ES pool was stupid? Because, you know, Berserker was untouched from 2.6 to 3.0. People just move to next thing that absolutely broken because VP are exist.
E = mc^(OMG)/wtf
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Posted byDoEFotGS#0015on Oct 18, 2017, 1:49:25 AM
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Shppy wrote:
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CaptainWARLORD wrote:
Too bad that VP wasn't the issue but huge ES pool CI builds with instant Leech which made it hard to get you killed.
Guess what Berserker does. You can just build HP and have the same thing. VP isn't the issue, imbalances in other areas are.
Main offender for a long time: Berserker. It's now suddenly META because GGG fucked the most OP thing and now people switched to the next one closest to it. And here we are with all the Dark Pact/RF Berserkers and whatnot.
People still opt for other more solid and safer choices, hence why Necromancer was the number 1 pick.
You have no clue about anything.
LOL, that's some brilliant mental gymnastics there. 'VP wasn't the issue, it was just huge ES pool with instant leech that was the problem. Now it's huge life pools with instant leech that are a problem, but it's totally not related to the instant leech or anything'.
Exactly what I was thinking when reading this.
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Posted bysurinia#6905on Oct 18, 2017, 2:31:55 AM
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I'd delete this to prevent word of my [Removed by Support] spreading any further.
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Posted byDrDraids#2941on Oct 18, 2017, 3:26:37 AM
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Shppy wrote:
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CaptainWARLORD wrote:
Too bad that VP wasn't the issue but huge ES pool CI builds with instant Leech which made it hard to get you killed.
Guess what Berserker does. You can just build HP and have the same thing. VP isn't the issue, imbalances in other areas are.
Main offender for a long time: Berserker. It's now suddenly META because GGG fucked the most OP thing and now people switched to the next one closest to it. And here we are with all the Dark Pact/RF Berserkers and whatnot.
People still opt for other more solid and safer choices, hence why Necromancer was the number 1 pick.
You have no clue about anything.
LOL, that's some brilliant mental gymnastics there. 'VP wasn't the issue, it was just huge ES pool with instant leech that was the problem. Now it's huge life pools with instant leech that are a problem, but it's totally not related to the instant leech or anything'. And you say *I've* got no clue?
Yep, it's sad when ignorant people think of themselves as smart and call others ignorant in their self-deluded confidence.
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"So, then. You don't believe that there is a God." - "There was a god."
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Posted byk4n3#0976on Oct 18, 2017, 3:51:56 AM
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You realize vaal pact exists as a way to counter the evasion dodge entropy system right? Also there is hardly any life regen nodes on the right side of the tree, anybody who is crying remove vaal pact obviously doesn't know the mechanics of the game and why things are in place the way they are.
GGG has already stated removing Vaal pact would require an entire rework of the game so you may as well quit these threads while you're behind.
What a bunch of crybabies lol.
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The same nerfs GGG had implemented in the past.
-40% leech effectiveness
-Cannot use life potions
And also add:
-Temporary sources of leech fo not apply. So no Bersekers aspect of the Carnage, no Atziri flask, no Vinktars etc.
These solve the single target problem with it unless you have UNREAL damage.
Acuity should also get the 40% leech effectiveness and and the no temporary thing.
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Posted byastraph#3219on Oct 18, 2017, 6:37:32 AM
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I would love it to go and Im all into this idea, but i know GGG is just to damn lzy to do all the changes so, as others suggested, there should be a proper penalty:
- add "unique flasks have no effect" (automaticly resolves the VP + flasks spam)
- additional leech from ascendancy do not apply to instant leech (fixes zerker and slayer)
YES I support the game, NO I don't agree with many GGG decisions
Lab still sucks balls.
I miss Zana already.
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Posted byMiazga#7204on Oct 18, 2017, 6:45:37 AM
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