The Atlas system is still hot garbage and a way to fix it

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Jennik wrote:

Doc, you have elicited a sigh from me. Sigh.

Miska, Orb of Horizons doesn't say "Reforge a T7 map as Catacombs" or "Reforge two T8 maps as Tropical Island and Shore." I could easily burn them all for nothing. It seems especially dumb to burn them on low tier maps when T12+ can be insanely difficult to get.

I'm alching all my maps. I'm not chiseling T5-7 maps. Burning my chisels before I get to red maps would be pretty dumb.

As for the triviality of getting great map drops, it would be good to remember that POE is a game with RNG. Last league I unlocked uber lab at seven trials. This league I've done eight trials and only have three different ones completed. Map drops are the same way. If you're getting great map drops, it's not because map drops are great. It's because map drops are great for you. Some people are eating shit.

Note, however, that this thread has literally nothing to do with map sustainability. I made it perfectly clear that I have plenty of great maps to run. I just can't fucking run them because that would make it even more outrageously difficult to get the missing maps to drop. If I'm not getting the T8s I need when there's a 1/1 chance of one of them dropping, I sure as shit don't want to try when it's something like 2/8.

Again, try to respond to the merit of my post. Defend GGG's current Atlas implementation, especially in the context of arguing against potential improvements. If you fail to do this, there's no conversation we can even have. Try really, really hard to make sure you understand what I've said here. If you're saying things like "it's easy to sustain maps," you have no clue what this thread's about.

I won't reply to further off topic posts. Knock yourself out if you still want to make them, though.

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Demonoz wrote:

First mistake your making is you claim you CANT run your T8s? WTF the first rule of thumb ive found in completing the atlas the easiest is ALWAYS run your highest map you have for unlock. You should ALWAYS have at least one +1 and if you can one +2 map somewhere on the atlas unlocked relative to the content you're actually running. If you are running T7s right now you need to have some T8s and at least one or two T9s unlocked so when your mapping you can actually have not only your adjacent map but all unlocked maps able to drop on mobs. And always have at least one possible +2 map unlocked so you can get boss drops +2.

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Jennik wrote:

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Demonoz wrote:

First mistake your making is you claim you CANT run your T8s? WTF the first rule of thumb ive found in completing the atlas the easiest is ALWAYS run your highest map you have for unlock. You should ALWAYS have at least one +1 and if you can one +2 map somewhere on the atlas unlocked relative to the content you're actually running. If you are running T7s right now you need to have some T8s and at least one or two T9s unlocked so when your mapping you can actually have not only your adjacent map but all unlocked maps able to drop on mobs. And always have at least one possible +2 map unlocked so you can get boss drops +2.

This makes no sense whatsoever when you do the math. Let's say I get my first T8 map to drop and run it. Whenever a T8 map drops now, it has a chance to be that map. Here we go:

My way - you farm all T8 maps and unlock nothing:
Run adjacent maps until the T8s all drop. Each time a T8 drops, you will have either a 100% or 50% chance of getting the map you need, depending on whether there are one or two adjacent T8s. Total T8 map drops required to unlock them all: ~10 with average RNG on maps with two adjacent T8s.

Your way - you unlock T8 maps as you get them:
Shore drops, you unlock it. Now the next T8 map that drops anywhere has a 50% chance of being Shore (33% with two adjacent T8s). You unlock the next. Now the next map has a 67% chance of being one you don't need. The next has a 75%, and so on. Total T8 map drops required to unlock them all: I'm not doing the math, but it's a fuckload more than 10.

I'll stick with the vastly easier option. You're handicapping yourself tremendously by unlocking a tier before all the bases drop.

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Jennik wrote:

I've made this damn thread every release since Atlas hit. I'm always hoping it'll be the last one. I kept making threads about giving every class all the gems. I kept making threads about the lack of reminders in the lab. I think almost every thread of mine has been resolved because my complaints are about legitimate problems that impact most players, and which have an easy solution that improves the game instead of simply changing it.

Still, every damn time I make one of these threads, people come along and say the most ridiculous nonsense. I make these threads for GGG, though, not the worst members of the POE community. I don't know if GGG actually listens when someone makes coherent, reasonable complaints and requests, but they sure as hell fix nearly everything I complain about within a couple of leagues.

I haven't bumped my thread about how easy it is to delete jewels on a character you're deleting recently. That problem's still alive and sucking.