Path of Diablo

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Ygidua wrote:

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Daniel_Pereira wrote:

Also, if you read PoE's terms and conditions, you will see this:

'Rights: Unless otherwise stated in these Terms of Use, Grinding Gear Games is the owner or licensee of all rights including all copyright, trade marks and other intellectual property rights relating to or included within the Website, Materials and Services (“Rights”). For the avoidance of doubt, and to the greatest extent permitted at law, the Rights include without limitation all rights in respect of all graphics, logos, text, images and all other elements included in and deriving from the gameplay and virtual world featured in POE, including without limitation in-game names, characters, locations and any virtual items (“Virtual Items”) and their associated benefits or properties acquired or provided for use within POE.'

Whoever made the PoD mod obviously played PoE first so agreed to this term before installing it. This person totally violated this agreement.

You know way to less about law to make any sense, dude. :)

Being inspired by something, is totally legal. An illegal copy would be taking the artwork, the code and releasing it as your own.

If we look at POE then we see a lot of stuff that looks and sounds familiar to the Diablo franchise. It starts with the UI and completely covers the spells. We do have skeletons, golems, fireball spells, the flasks visible in the UI, the two globes that hold mana and life ...

If GGG would had copied the code from Blizzard and then just tweaked a few things here and there, while releasing it as their game and not a fan mod, then we had a case.

But so there is none, just like there is none for the creator of said Diablo mod.

Btw. if someone plays a game is irrelevant. You can could have never played POE, but if you copy it´s context and claim it to be your own, then you would still have a copyright infringement on your butt.

People need to learn that reading and agreeing to a law, is not necessary for breaking it. I bet there is a lot of law that you never heard of :)

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鬼殺し wrote:

I was considering buying a copy of D2LoD to try it (I think my last copy is still in the US somewhere), but: a) I can't bring myself to give Blizzard any more money personally, regardless of what i said above; and b) my rosy tinted glasses just aren't thick enough to not see how dated Diablo 2 is.

PoE, for all its flaws, has too many innovations to leave behind.

The 3.0 beta is just around the corner.

Oh, and I've been told quite a few PoD players have never touched Path of Exile, so it's probably got some appeal for old D2 players who just want to try a new mod that breathes a little life into a very old horse.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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Daniel_Pereira wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

I was considering buying a copy of D2LoD to try it (I think my last copy is still in the US somewhere), but: a) I can't bring myself to give Blizzard any more money personally, regardless of what i said above; and b) my rosy tinted glasses just aren't thick enough to not see how dated Diablo 2 is.

PoE, for all its flaws, has too many innovations to leave behind.

The 3.0 beta is just around the corner.

Oh, and I've been told quite a few PoD players have never touched Path of Exile, so it's probably got some appeal for old D2 players who just want to try a new mod that breathes a little life into a very old horse.

SEE?! Blizzard is profiting DIRECTLY off GGG's work! Thankfully this person doesn't want to give Blizzard anymore money but just think about how many people out there went ahead with buying a new copy just to play mods derived from PoE? Rubbish!

Yeah, you just got ahead and ignore the other, far more relevant post I made.

Here, I'll repost it for you just in case you missed it. It was a bit subtle and easily overlooked, I'll admit. So bold this time. And in a pretty, aesthetically pleasing colour. I'm nice like that.

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鬼殺し wrote:

It's almost as if the OP doesn't realise who and what GGG are. Their stance. Their moral values.

A quick history lesson for you then, Daniel.

GGG started as three guys in a garage deciding they could do their own ARPG. All three were fanatical D2 players. Who wasn't, back then? Anyway, they gave it a go.

They openly refer to their work as a Diablo clone. There's no getting around that. If Blizzard hadn't made 'Diablo' a genre unto itself, the amount of 'creative borrowing' GGG did to make Path of Exile would be pretty damn close to copyright infringement itself. This isn't a legal issue, however, because by the time PoE was even out of alpha, we had a bunch of Diablo clones out there all doing pretty much the same thing.

GGG are infamously, famously moral in their approach to financial support and to player-made tools. They want to be the good guys and most of the time they succeed. If a player makes a tool that reads the forum for trade posts and aggregates it for easy indexing, cool! If a player makes an offline skill tree planner? Awesome, here, we'll even provide that player with the tools to keep it up to date.

It would, at this point, be incredibly out of character for GGG to go after Greendude (an alpha tester himself) for making an homage to Path of Exile within Diablo 2. GGG are well aware that without Blizzard, they wouldn't exist. Without Diablo 2, they wouldn't exist. And if Blizzard are making some very late-in-the-day sales from Path of Diablo, so be it. Compared to the oodlefucktonnes they're making off the overwaifus, it's sweet fuck all and everyone knows it. It's petty cash, if you will.

Note also that Path of Diablo is a great buffer between larger patches on PoE. When PoE is winding down, PoD is winding up. There's a deliberate complementary balance going on. This keeps PoE players 'active' in the ARPG scene, still 'into' the idea of PoE if not the game itself, and gives GGG a chance to work on the next big thing without having to keep the rabid playerbase entertained. Less pressure on them to both develop new stuff and keep the current game interesting is a very good thing.

Greendude is doing GGG a big service and it seems you're the only one who doesn't realise that.

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restinpieces0815 wrote:

I don't have enough hands for all the facepalms I need to do.