No end to Standard inflation?

Just a dumping ground.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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TenTonBlue wrote:

Theres only 2 reasons to play in standard.
1. You're new and dont know about Leagues
2. You're super casual and dont want to start over because you think its hard.

Building up currency and gear in a new league isnt really that hard. You cant really respect anyone as a serious gamer if they choose to play in standard anymore.

It takes about 5 days at the start of a league to put together a character that is capable of doing every bit of content a character in standard with years of gear can do. At that point playing that character is no more meaningful there and then than it is 3 months later when that same character transfers to standard league and is played there.

Should we respect you as a serious gamer I take it?

I notice youve managed to get 1 character past lvl90, you got a lvl93 ek cold conversion of some sort. I checked your tree out for about 10 seconds

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIDAQFvAdENfA5cD6sRDxEvEVAWvxcvF5YYahmKGo8bJR0UHU8d2SL0JIsknSepKgsqOCsKLR8zkjW5OVI7DUGWQxNDVEV-SVFJsUuuTLNQQlM1VdZYB1xrXIpd8l9qYlpknWTnavpsC20ZcFJwu3X9e9d_gH_GgKSBrIRIhG-ExYhCidOMNo9Gj_qTJ5cGm6GbtZ63oSKhL6JApyupeayYrrOv67QMtUi-isHFwzrDbcSiytPQH9DQ0PXTftRC18_ZW9-Y4vfkaukC6Zjquutj6_XsGO4O73rviO_r8NXxbfId9HH0-Pba99f5N_rS-wn_EA==

I repathed it for you and you gained an extra 6% es, that is if a respectable serious gamer like yourself wants to lower yourself to taking tips from a super casual player like me who plays on standard as much as I play in leagues.

Except it should be obvious to anyone that, that character has been torn apart and respeced multiple times for testing purposes.

Please Standard people, stop being so sensitive. You cant even make reasonable arguments, look at the poor attempts your representatives have already made.

so your build called TenTonEk in the current league that is currently specced into an EK tree has been respecced many times for testing, and thats why your tree has basic errors, presumably because you were testing how intentionally taking 6% less es worked out.

Ok mate.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

so your build called TenTonEk in the current league that is currently specced into an EK tree has been respecced many times for testing, and thats why your tree has basic errors, presumably because you were testing how intentionally taking 6% less es worked out.

Ok mate.

Dude, dont be so sensitive, youre just making yourself look foolish by drawing assumptions about one of my characters that you have little information about.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

player like me who plays on standard as much as I play in leagues.

I mean, I looked at your account and you stated that you play as much in leagues as you do in standard, yet you have 1 character in legacy, all the rest are in standard. By that alone youre discredited.

If you really want some help heres some tips. Dont go after resists on the tree, we can see from Veruca_Salty your only legacy character, you picked up cloth and chain, useless. Also you went and got mana flows. On an attack based character leech is enough for sustain, you dont get mana flows. thats 4 skill points you can use for whatever you want. You're welcome.

Please, please stop digging yourself a deeper hole. I mean, im actually kind of enjoying it, so for my entertainment, its great, but as the superior player here I have to think about you super casuals that think standard is a serious game mode.

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Darkkrows wrote:

This wouldn't be a problem if GGG come clean and say ALL Temp league item will be deleted AT the front page of character creation, player will then can choose and pick what style they want to play. If they still complain about that, then themselves are to be blame for not reading.

People will still complain... Just look at the standard players who complain... because they're not reading :-p

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Darkkrows wrote:

Besides, this also means no more additional remove-only stash need to be maintain. Can you imaging how many remove-only stash GGG database had? If a player have 50 stashes, he use all of them then he joins 3 leagues, after league end he would have 150 remove-only stashes.

Why are remove-only tabs a problem? It certainly isn't for GGG... Database space is ultra-cheap.

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Darkkrows wrote:

it is a win win situation, Standard player not getting dump league status, GGG get less stash to maintain, temp league only players are unaffected.

No, it is a LOSE-win situation. If GGG had to start spending effort on standard, there'd be less effort to expend on the leagues... and that's where most of the players are.

Also, be careful what you wish for... What would happen if standard became worth playing? People would start doing it, and THAT would mean gazillions of currency and 'good' items suddenly entering the economy on standard, the remains of years of stockpiling from the leagues. If you thought standard is bad now, it'd get much, MUCH worse.
Just as a taster, here's what unused currency I have in standard (which I don't touch), and I'm probably considered poor. Only top currency listed:

Then add the items...

Standard is what it is, the 'dump league'. It can not be changed without significant effort, and that effort is better spent on the leagues.

I agree that an item sink in the game would be great. And not just in standard, because we also amass too much junk in leagues (and it goes to std afterwards).
Suggestions in this thread which I like:
5 for 1 prophecy as a default recipe.
Trade unique items for special hideout deco.
Trade unique items for special maps.
I would add
Trade uniques for craftables, like high ilvl white bases. That way, we'd also sink chaos orbs into them.

As to the joker who disses people for playing std: Grow up. Many people have real lives and just don't want to restart from scratch every time. In my case, I collect uniques, want as many different ones as possible. Without serious time investment, this can only be done in std.
Also, in leagues I occasionally find a really cool item which I want to build around but just never find the time to. One day, I'll pig out in std and really go to town with awesome gear combinations. And all without excessively grinding to buy said items.
So, just accept that your way of playing isn't the only valid one.

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TenTonBlue wrote:

Theres only 2 reasons to play in standard.
1. You're new and dont know about Leagues
2. You're super casual and dont want to start over because you think its hard.

Building up currency and gear in a new league isnt really that hard. You cant really respect anyone as a serious gamer if they choose to play in standard anymore.

Also, figuring out the best way to generate currency using new league mechanics is far more satisfying rather than loading up the game and strapping on whatever gear youve built up over years of gameplay.

I mean whats the challenge if you dont have to work for gear anymore? thats what makes standard super casual. Thats what makes Leagues so much more fun, the challenge is much much higher and is refreshed with each restart.

Its also why leagues tend to die down after the first 2 months. Everyone has gotten the gear they want and have little to work for anymore. It loses its challenge because you can just strap on the gear you've built up.

Actually I found these two reasons more likely:
1. You don't care about league mechanics so starting over is a waste of time, and their time has value (maybe you'd rather play a different game, maybe you need to work, heck maybe you'd even like to sleep a little bit).
2. You genuinely don't have the time to play in the league and accomplish anything before it ends (this happens a lot if you like to play self found, or if you work a full time job and can't afford to take vacation every time a league starts).

I don't see how either one of these has anything to do with being a "serious" gamer. I consider your remarks quite inflammatory and understand why people are knocking you for it. Get off your high horse, you're just as bad or worse than people that claim if you're not playing hardcore you're doing it wrong -- it's just another way to play. Let people play however they want to play. If you don't like it, don't play that way.

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SisterBlister wrote:

5 for 1 prophecy as a default recipe.

So you think that MORE good uniques making their way into standard is a way to improve the economy? Seriously?

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SisterBlister wrote:

Trade unique items for special maps.

That would just generate even more items, worsening the economy.

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SisterBlister wrote:

Trade uniques for craftables, like high ilvl white bases. That way, we'd also sink chaos orbs into them.

So you think MORE good rares in standard is a way to improve the economy? Seriously?

Anything that puts more items into standard will worsen the situation as it'll put more GOOD items into there too. If you add 'good' content in standard, you have more people playing there, which will worsen the economy even more.

If you want to 'improve' standard, you have to make items wear out while being used. No other 'solution' will work, but will only make things worse.

Standard IS the dump league. It is not possible to change this without completely changing the entire game mechanics for standard... which is the same as creating a new game. GGG doesn't have the resources to balance two different games.

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Cyzax wrote:

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SisterBlister wrote:

5 for 1 prophecy as a default recipe.

So you think that MORE good uniques making their way into standard is a way to improve the economy? Seriously?

Yes. Rather have fewer but better uniques. Mostly, this recipe produces more junk uniques anyway and thus quite efficiently cleans the clutter.

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Cyzax wrote:

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SisterBlister wrote:

Trade unique items for special maps.

That would just generate even more items, worsening the economy.

What?! Should we remove all maps from standard then? Because they do generate items too. And no one said "Sell a great new map for a single lousy unique". The prices should be such that these maps feel special.

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Cyzax wrote:

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SisterBlister wrote:

Trade uniques for craftables, like high ilvl white bases. That way, we'd also sink chaos orbs into them.

So you think MORE good rares in standard is a way to improve the economy? Seriously?

Crafting rares is fun and certainly more interesting than just getting that BiS unique.

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Cyzax wrote:

Anything that puts more items into standard will worsen the situation as it'll put more GOOD items into there too.

EVERYTHING adds more items to standard. That is unavoidable unless you remove everything from standard.

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Cyzax wrote:

If you add 'good' content in standard, you have more people playing there, which will worsen the economy even more.

More players is a good thing, always. And I specifically said that I'd like these new mechanics in leagues as well.

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Cyzax wrote:

If you want to 'improve' standard, you have to make items wear out while being used. No other 'solution' will work, but will only make things worse.

That has been suggested often, but would make many people complain about losing the results from many hours of playing. I don't think that is a solution which will increase the player base.

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SisterBlister wrote:

Yes. Rather have fewer but better uniques. Mostly, this recipe produces more junk uniques anyway and thus quite efficiently cleans the clutter.

Vendoring worthless uniques is an even better way of cleaning the clutter :-)

ALL your 'solutions' would make things worse! THE problem with standard is the influx of items and currency. You have no solution to that problem, and all the things you suggest would make matters worse.