Does '40% increased Fireball Damage' helmet enchant double dips my fireball?

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Pathological wrote:

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AusterlitZ wrote:

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Vipermagi wrote:

"It doesn't matter, dots can never be "x skill damage"."
1. This is blatantly untrue because Increased Contagion Damage exists, and Contagion does nothing but deal Damage over Time.

2. "Modifiers to Spell Damage apply to this skill's Damage Over Time" applies to Ignite/Poison. Clearly, the game decided that Ignite/Poison is Vortex Damage, otherwise it wouldn't apply Spell Damage.

1.Contagion cannot double dip because it cannot hit. That enchant is a skill only modifier. The dot is the skill itself. An ignite caused by Fireball cannot be Fireball damage.

To be more clear since i was talking about the specific example in the OP, dots created by a hit cannot be modified by skill only modifiers. So for example an ED helm enchant will increase both the hit and the ED dot, but if you apply Poison with the ED that Poison won't be double dipped by that bonus.

2.This is wrong on multiple levels. Dots generated from hits cannot be "x skill damage". Vortex's cold dot is Vortex damage, an Ignite or a Poison will not be.

You're saying this in a very matter-of-fact way that implies that you've seen evidence to support it. You could just provide the evidence and the argument would be done :s

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Which 'all others'? And I've already shown that 'generic damage bonus to the skill if it is of X type' do apply, that shouldn't be a valid DoT bonus by your logic.

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that shouldn't be a valid DoT bonus by your logic

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AusterlitZ wrote:

"Earthquake's "Aftershock deals X% more damage". Is this applied to the initial aftershock hit and any DoTs created by the aftershock hit?"

"No. The aftershock is a specific part of the skill that hits things. Degens are inherently not the aftershock."

"Fire Nova Mine: does this work like Earthquake's description above (Is this applied to the initial repeat and any DoTs created by the repeat?"

"It is the same as Earthquake, but your description of Earthquake was wrong. It only applies to the hit."

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AusterlitZ wrote:

There's a large difference between generic damage modifiers and "x skill damage".

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Vipermagi wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

Either way, nothing here is solid proof in either direction.

First of all: true.

PoE is rather well known for having strict wording though. If "Movement Skill" is an inheritable modifier, and "this Skill's DoT" counts for Ignite/Poison, I see no reason why "Skill Damage" wouldn't work. Hence:
(I had to delete a quote here, too many nested quotes :s)
What makes you say this? The game's own wording directly contradicts your claims.

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AusterlitZ wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

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AusterlitZ wrote:

(I had to delete a quote here, too many nested quotes).

1.Contagion cannot double dip because it cannot hit. That enchant is a skill only modifier. The dot is the skill itself. An ignite caused by Fireball cannot be Fireball damage.

To be more clear since i was talking about the specific example in the OP, dots created by a hit cannot be modified by skill only modifiers. So for example an ED helm enchant will increase both the hit and the ED dot, but if you apply Poison with the ED that Poison won't be double dipped by that bonus.

2.This is wrong on multiple levels. Dots generated from hits cannot be "x skill damage". Vortex's cold dot is Vortex damage, an Ignite or a Poison will not be.

You're saying this in a very matter-of-fact way that implies that you've seen evidence to support it. You could just provide the evidence and the argument would be done :s

I'm explaining how stuff is coded, if there was a link to this exact answer from Mark i would link to it obviously rather than wasting my time in this awful designed forums may god have mercy on the souls of those who rely on it for information.

You have similar examples Mark has answered to :

"Earthquake's "Aftershock deals X% more damage". Is this applied to the initial aftershock hit and any DoTs created by the aftershock hit?"

"No. The aftershock is a specific part of the skill that hits things. Degens are inherently not the aftershock."

"Fire Nova Mine: does this work like Earthquake's description above (Is this applied to the initial repeat and any DoTs created by the repeat?"

"It is the same as Earthquake, but your description of Earthquake was wrong. It only applies to the hit."

So look at these 2 examples i could very quickly find. The first one restricts the damage to the Aftershock, any dot you might cause is obviously not Aftershock damage. In the case of FNM the damage multiplier is generic, so it should apply, but then you see it says "per stage", that's a conditional modifier which dots cannot check for, so it doesn't work. Flameblast has a more multiplier which is spell damage and doesn't work with dots, Shock Nova has "Ring deals 80% less Damage", any dots it might cause are obviously not "ring damage".

"Natively modifiers to attack damage (i.e. weapon damage, melee damage, etc.) and spell damage do not apply to damage over time effects unless specifically stated so" - Something like Vortex damage or Fireball damage cannot apply, because those are exactly like a specific attack damage/spell damage modifier. Exception are dots that are unrelated to hits, like Vortex cold degen, RF, Contagion, ED. Those are coded differently.

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AusterlitZ wrote:

except it's granted directly into that skill's stats, rather than to your stats which would then be inherited by all skills.

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Xper1mental wrote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/634vc5/some_mechanics_questions_answered_by_mark/

Mark adresses it here!