GGG forgot buffing Kingsguard :(

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goetzjam wrote:

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

I'm not seeing the problem at all. How many endurance charges do you typically use up every discharge? I'll assume at least 4. 1600 life per second is more than good enough.

Thats less then half of what was possible before and even far less then what was possible when this item was designed.

Right, that's why I believe Kingsguard have to be balanced, to achieve what was designed to do.

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zSavage wrote:

In 2.4 you could trigger 10 spells per second (the cooldown was 0.1 then). You could heal for about 4k per second then.

When the CD went to 0.25 in 2.5, mjolner lost 60% of its healing and dps.

IMO mjolner was pretty fair with a 0.1 CD. Reverting that would fix mjolner in general and make kingsguard relevant again.

I agree ,but as long Xbox One exist they will not reverting this change because PC can handle 0.1 CD but Xbox not.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

I'm not seeing the problem at all. How many endurance charges do you typically use up every discharge? I'll assume at least 4. 1600 life per second is more than good enough.

1 second is too long when receiving reflect damage =[

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SerenaDrake wrote:

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zSavage wrote:

In 2.4 you could trigger 10 spells per second (the cooldown was 0.1 then). You could heal for about 4k per second then.

When the CD went to 0.25 in 2.5, mjolner lost 60% of its healing and dps.

IMO mjolner was pretty fair with a 0.1 CD. Reverting that would fix mjolner in general and make kingsguard relevant again.

I agree ,but as long Xbox One exist they will not reverting this change because PC can handle 0.1 CD but Xbox not.

wtf? really? fuck xbox, lol.

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ssebastiann wrote:

Kingsguard was made to be used with Mjolner + Discharge.

Wait... what?

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666lol666 wrote:

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ssebastiann wrote:

Kingsguard was made to be used with Mjolner + Discharge.

Wait... what?

Don't understand your confusion the item was made for the volls+mjoner discharge build.

The CDs on Mjolner and Cospri's were nerfed due to performance issues. They're trying to get the Xbox release to have a steady 60 FPS and in the process hopefully it'll improve performance for lower end PC systems. Maybe once the game is better optimized we'll see Mjolner back to a better CD.

But yeah, the nerf to these items certainly causes a cascade effect for other things.

And yes, Kingsguard was meant for Discharge use. The only other ways to consume endurance charges are Immortal Call (which has a CD and thus can't be spammed) or Vigilant Strike (which only consumes one charge at a time).

Assuming consistent 4 charges on Discharge each use it's 16 expended a second, so you'd have to get Vigilant Strike past 16 attacks per second without Multistrike (since using Multistrike still only consumes 1 endurance charge for it) to have the same effect even after the nerf.

There is the possibility of using Kingsguard Discharge with Eye of Innocence on a Juggernaut, but at that point it's probably better to use Razor of the Seventh Sun for its life recovery on ignite since ignites aren't hard limited per second.

And if you're really nuts there's Rat Cage + Vaal Molten Shell igniting and Discharge, etc.

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Prisus wrote:

The chest is not sufficient at the new cooldown rates. Test the build then say 1600 lps is good enough for a melee build that HAS to tank some damage (not all damage like telegraphed attacks but basic boss damage HAS to be tanked).

kingsguard interaction with mjolner, etc is why it was used.

There are no cooldown rates imposed on Kingsguard, it will trigger as often as you consume Endurance charges.

The knee-jerk 250ms cooldown nerf imposed on Mjolner is the source of the problem, not the way Kingsguard works. Please stop trying to twist everything into serving the needs of the goddam Meta builds.

FYI, I trashed my monkeywrenched Discharge build before I discovered Kingsguard. Discharge is a crackhead skill and my build is far more satisfying without it.

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RogueMage wrote:

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Prisus wrote:

The chest is not sufficient at the new cooldown rates. Test the build then say 1600 lps is good enough for a melee build that HAS to tank some damage (not all damage like telegraphed attacks but basic boss damage HAS to be tanked).

kingsguard interaction with mjolner, etc is why it was used.

There are no cooldown rates imposed on Kingsguard, it will trigger as often as you consume Endurance charges.

The knee-jerk 250ms cooldown nerf imposed on Mjolner is the source of the problem, not the way Kingsguard works. Please stop trying to twist everything into serving the needs of the goddam Meta builds.

FYI, I trashed my monkeywrenched Discharge build before I discovered Kingsguard. Discharge is a crackhead skill and my build is far more satisfying without it.

Wtf are you talking about. I know it is the discharge from cooldown that effects kingsguard. It waas the only build that really cared about the bonuses provided by kingsguard.

P.S. i don't give a fuck if you don't like discharge or your thoughts on it. Other people like it so PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TWIST EVERYONE'S IDEA OF FUN IN THE GAME TO YOUR IDEA OF FUN.

...cause frankly your idea of fun seems boring to me.

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Prisus wrote:

P.S. i don't give a fuck if you don't like discharge or your thoughts on it. Other people like it so PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TWIST EVERYONE'S IDEA OF FUN IN THE GAME TO YOUR IDEA OF FUN.

...cause frankly your idea of fun seems boring to me.

How typical of DPS-uber-alles Meta-mongerers to accuse the rest of us of undermining the crackhead demands of their abusive end-game builds.