GGG forgot buffing Kingsguard :(

Kingsguard was made to be used with Mjolner + Discharge.
Old Mjolner (no cooldown) could trigger 20+ times per second.
New Mjolner (250ms cooldown) can trigger 4 times por second.

This mean a nerf to Kingsguard too, now you can't heal enough... 100 life per endurance charge consumed is kinda poor.

Buff Kingsguard please!

I hope somebody listen to me (?

That's not the only thing Kingsguard is good far. I use it in a melee build along with Romira's Banquet and Voll's Devotion to generate a steady stream of End charges. It's Mjolner's and Discharge that are crippled, not Kingsguard.

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RogueMage wrote:

That's not the only thing Kingsguard is good far. I use it in a melee build along with Romira's Banquet and Voll's Devotion to generate a steady stream of End charges. It's Mjolner's and Discharge that are crippled, not Kingsguard.

No the chest is crippled.

I'm not seeing the problem at all. How many endurance charges do you typically use up every discharge? I'll assume at least 4. 1600 life per second is more than good enough.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

I'm not seeing the problem at all. How many endurance charges do you typically use up every discharge? I'll assume at least 4. 1600 life per second is more than good enough.

Thats less then half of what was possible before and even far less then what was possible when this item was designed.

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goetzjam wrote:

Thats less then half of what was possible before and even far less then what was possible when this item was designed.

1600 life per second is 20% of maximum life at 8000 max Life......

I feel like people have gotten way too used to 100% HP recovery every 0.1 second (1000% HP recovery/second) being the norm. It's not healthy for a game... very binary, invincibility or one-shot. And of course the most frequent source of 1000% HP recovery/second, CI/GR/VP, can't even get one-shot.

~balance~

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adghar wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Thats less then half of what was possible before and even far less then what was possible when this item was designed.

1600 life per second is 20% of maximum life at 8000 max Life......

I feel like people have gotten way too used to 100% HP recovery every 0.1 second (1000% HP recovery/second) being the norm. It's not healthy for a game... very binary, invincibility or one-shot. And of course the most frequent source of 1000% HP recovery/second, CI/GR/VP, can't even get one-shot.

~balance~

So the life based build is ok with being nerfed, but the es based builds can remain supreme in every way?

Kinda on board with Goet on this.

The chest is not sufficient at the new cooldown rates. Test the build then say 1600 lps is good enough for a melee build that HAS to tank some damage (not all damage like telegraphed attacks but basic boss damage HAS to be tanked).

kingsguard interaction with mjolner, etc is why it was used. It could sustain the character in melee ranged combat. That function is now not good enough for kingsguard with the new CDR.

It needs to be buffed and even then most people wouldn't play that build anymore. Just another build on the old "balance changes graveyard"...

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goetzjam wrote:

So the life based build is ok with being nerfed, but the es based builds can remain supreme in every way?

Nope, we're still waiting on the ES and/or Vaal Pact nerfs. Just because GGG hasn't yet reacted to the anti ES rage train doesn't mean that it is "ok."

In 2.4 you could trigger 10 spells per second (the cooldown was 0.1 then). You could heal for about 4k per second then.

When the CD went to 0.25 in 2.5, mjolner lost 60% of its healing and dps.

IMO mjolner was pretty fair with a 0.1 CD. Reverting that would fix mjolner in general and make kingsguard relevant again.