IS RNG really that BAD?

lel, lets say the chance to get a exalted on a currency drop at a rate of 10.000 to 1 or something. the player who plays more gets much more chances to trigger the 1 out of 10000. that is your benefitof playing more.

the point that you reach the end game faster and could sale all the lvl 84 gear to the poeple with less time is a other point.

i played near to 2k hours since 1.0 of this game and got about 40exalted. that is a very lucky number but there are times i get nothing for 200hours and so on..

RNG is RNG I don't have much time played in PoE yet started just b4 prophecy started and I'm a causal player. I got 1 ex just couple days b4 end of league;) But is in standart and I mayb spend it 1day.. it's just a game and RNG makes me to play and hope for some nice drop can happen any time.....

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Mikrotherion wrote:

I don't get you, really.

"I did not say I do not want luck to be part of the game so please don't be so accusing.

My intention was to covey a message that dedicated players should be the ones to be rewarded FIRST rather than casual players or someone who has played significantly lesser."

This boils down to: Luck is fine, but please make sure luck first hits those who play a lot.(i.e. not luck at all).

And yes, as I wrote, I don't play that much atm.; and if you compare your orbs to my orbs, you'll see that you have a lot more of them (or so I would assume), which shows that it is working just as you want it to work.
With very rare stuff, however, outliers such as an exalted drop in A1N seem much more significant than they actually are.
Last league I found my first and only ex at about level 83 in a map. In some previous league I found one in A3N.
And some leagues ago I found an eternal orb in cruel Fellshrine.

All in all, though, a dedicated player will find more exalteds, eternals (well, not any more), mirrors etc. than me. And that is fine. They deserve it.

What is it that you don't understand?

From your earlier posts mentioned above

"YoursTruly, what I read in you posts is that you don't want luck to come into the game at all and that only people playing x hours a day should get exalted, mirrors and disfavours."

Isn't that accusing me that I do not want luck to be part of the game?

You couldn't comprehend what you just said?

Now you're changing your tune >>>> This boils down to: Luck is fine, but please make sure luck first hits those who play a lot.(i.e. not luck at all).

But, the initial message was accusing me that I don't want luck to come into the game at all.

Really LOL

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kobrakhan wrote:

lel, lets say the chance to get a exalted on a currency drop at a rate of 10.000 to 1 or something. the player who plays more gets much more chances to trigger the 1 out of 10000. that is your benefitof playing more.

the point that you reach the end game faster and could sale all the lvl 84 gear to the poeple with less time is a other point.

i played near to 2k hours since 1.0 of this game and got about 40exalted. that is a very lucky number but there are times i get nothing for 200hours and so on..

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are you trying to say seriously and how is it relevant to the discussion?

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

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Kasapnica wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

You appear to know much,but it seems you don't know what ARPG games stand for. Dedicated players get big without uber drops,or much time spent.

I wonder what you see as a just reward for you being dedicated,what and how would you like to be rewarded for spending much time with the game. I mean its already obvious that you can't play efficiently but id like to know.

How is it obvious that I cannot play efficiently?

Care to enlighten me?

Maybe you are so good that you can play more efficiently than me?

I only ask imply that dedicated players should be the more deserving players to get the exalted orbs first rather than some casual players or players with significantly less time played.

It seems that you appear to know much,but it seems you don't even know how to comprehend what other people is trying to say.

It's ok.

Casual players like you would often side with RNG telling other people off that RNG is good or neither good or bad because it benefits them. Because of the fact that they play lesser that dedicated players, they need some perks to benefit them so that they won't feel weak/poor or inferior.

Naturally, they would do that.

Yes i do seem to play more efficient than you,and if you think im a casual,i have bad news for you. I might enlighten you later,but i can assure you one thing,i DO NOT wait for the RNG to clear the game.

Calling me a casual hahaha...face it,you simply need to learn how this game and its trade works,and you will get your exalts really fast. See this slayer in my profile? This is his gear 2-3 weeks since the start of the league(essence),and let me assure you one thing,RNG didn't drop anything to get me there,knowing how the market works,how to get a starting good build however,did.Well it started dropping but i farmed Ubers (over 40 shaper runs) and guardians so i kind of deserve it at this point.And got bored and stopped playing.

There are so much things you can do to get big in PoE today,its not even funny.

Casual= i play for fun,don't care what happens,or simply no time.If a mirror drops,well thats ok.

DEDICATED=Made research,reads the forums/reddit,watches youtube. The starting build is cheap and effective,knows how trade will work for the incoming league based on game changes/new stuff,knows that UBER LAB is ALWAYS an EXCELLENT source of income and so is Dried lake. Accords himself to what is to come,relying on RNG is OUT of the question.

RNG=if it happens thats good,if im BAD ill blame it and the game on my inability to progress.

Please,stop looking on my characters and challenges to judge me,thats pretty much a signature move by anyone who can't get things done.

Haven't started this league yet,played for a bit. When i finish what i do now,ill start again. And i already know EXACTLY how everything will turn out,and it won't be bad,depending on how much time i have ofc.

Ok, getting away from the petty bickering back and forth...

Yes, RNG is horrid to the individual because it can never guarantee anything. In other words, across the entire population of PoE players it's just fine, it shows its curve and it's working according to probability. But on an individual basis, it's skewed.

Fact: It's not a problem specific to PoE, but it certainly plays a huge role in end-game loot and player progression in PoE. With the RNG the way it is (as explained by GGG in the past), it's possible for a player to never ever get an exalt drop, even if they play all the time since the launch of the game, though all leagues and within standard/hardcore.

Opinion: Can it be fixed? Yes, of course. You weight the probability over time. For example, of the first few thousand loot drops you start at the base level probability of getting an exalt. Then for the next few thousand you increase it slightly, and so on until the chance to get an exalt is capped at some point. And when you get an exalt, that weighted counter resets.

Fact: Is the fix good for PoE as a whole? I really don't know. Only GGG can answer that with the greatest level of accuracy since it's their RNG algorithms and they have all of the collected data over time. The RNG has been balanced over time for different items, but it's possible that there is no weighting being done. I don't know? Regardless, I do believe in weighting over time, but I'm unconcerned with how much weighting and when it increases.

What's supposed to happen is that some players get exalt drops, some don't, and the different drops players gets helps to encourage trading. You don't need exalts to play and the enjoy PoE all the way through end-game, but you do need it if you want to trade for some of the better end-game gear and items.

The problem is that GGG looks at the drop rate of currency and items over the populace as a whole. At least this is what they've hinted at in the past. They don't take just one player and evaluate their entire loot history. And that's where non-weighted RNG fails.

The suggestion to increase the chances for a good drop over time until you get it isn't going to help. You might as well just make the chance of finding one higher.

The idea of making rare stuff happen more often only decreases the value of said item. Why are alts worth less than exalts? Because they're more common. The RNG is the only way to insure that there is a demand for items as well as a supply. Some people want X, because they haven't had it drop, and others have 2xX because they got lucky. So trade happens.

If every player is assured X over time, there would be no point in trading for X.

Guys,RNG in POE is called trading,in fact is Path of Trading,i mean ppl already got 50ex+,bunch of 6 links .. everything . .while 80% players(like me) still want a 6L :(


Game is good,that fu*** trade system is the problem.

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Kasapnica wrote:

Yes i do seem to play more efficient than you,and if you think im a casual,i have bad news for you. I might enlighten you later,but i can assure you one thing,i DO NOT wait for the RNG to clear the game.

Calling me a casual hahaha...face it,you simply need to learn how this game and its trade works,and you will get your exalts really fast. See this slayer in my profile? This is his gear 2-3 weeks since the start of the league(essence),and let me assure you one thing,RNG didn't drop anything to get me there,knowing how the market works,how to get a starting good build however,did.Well it started dropping but i farmed Ubers (over 40 shaper runs) and guardians so i kind of deserve it at this point.And got bored and stopped playing.

There are so much things you can do to get big in PoE today,its not even funny.

Casual= i play for fun,don't care what happens,or simply no time.If a mirror drops,well thats ok.

DEDICATED=Made research,reads the forums/reddit,watches youtube. The starting build is cheap and effective,knows how trade will work for the incoming league based on game changes/new stuff,knows that UBER LAB is ALWAYS an EXCELLENT source of income and so is Dried lake. Accords himself to what is to come,relying on RNG is OUT of the question.

RNG=if it happens thats good,if im BAD ill blame it and the game on my inability to progress.

Please,stop looking on my characters and challenges to judge me,thats pretty much a signature move by anyone who can't get things done.

Haven't started this league yet,played for a bit. When i finish what i do now,ill start again. And i already know EXACTLY how everything will turn out,and it won't be bad,depending on how much time i have ofc.

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REALLY MAKES ME LOL at someone who claims that he can farm more efficient than me yet has nothing to say about improving my characters and please I looked at your characters really makes ME LOLOL hard thinking he is farming god just because he has some mediocre items...

BUT JUST WAIT A MINUTE !!! he is referring to his standard toons LMAO instead of league toons and he claimed to have farmed more efficiently than me . REALLY MAKES ME LOL.

Listen carefully because I am gona say it only one time in case you cannot understand.

The reason why you are farming more efficiently is because you are comparing your standard characters with my level 87 necromancer who is in the BREACH LEAGUE. What's more Breach league only just started less than a week and you got the cheek to compare your standard character with a new league character that is barely 1 week old.

REALLY MAKES ME LOL at this statement >>>>>>>Please,stop looking on my characters and challenges to judge me,thats pretty much a signature move by anyone who can't get things done.


Why don't you check out my STANDARD assassin and see how much your gear cost in comparison to my assassin? Don't be shy, I only have one assassin so you cannot missed it.

I stopped reading your ramblings the moment i detected lies in your statement.

REALLY MAKES ME LOL HARD

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

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Actkqk wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

I will not argue with someone who thinks that money should rain from the sky without spending any effort and also thinks that it is justifiable.

When I said "SHOULD"?...

Dude, you have a very serious confusion and more serious problem of reading comprehension.

My sayings about RNG are not my opinion, they are not my personal opinion, therefore you should exclude the "should" from the equation. What I said is a real fact, not an opinion.

Well, you have shown that you don't deserve more time. Bye :)

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Actkqk wrote:
RNG is neither good nor bad, is just RNG... You can have a level 5 character with an exalted drop or you can have a level 95 character who has never been drop an exalted, and that is in both cases perfectly normal...


EDIT: oh, and in this game there is no something like "reward system", all is just RNG.


Dude, you ARE the one with very serious confusion and more serious problem of reading comprehension. Maybe you ran out of any constructive arguments and accusing someone else to change the topic so as to cover up your embarrassment.


"RNG is neither good nor bad" is YOUR OWN PERSONAL opinion and not a FACT. Why don't you ask some level 95 guy who has never found an exalted drop before whether "RNG is neither good nor bad"?
Whatever his answers are, it is still his own opinion.

Can you prove "RNG is neither good nor bad" ? Can you verify it?

YOU CANNOT.

Thus, it is your OWN PERSONAL OPINION.

Dude, you ARE the one with very serious confusion and more serious problem of reading comprehension.

EDIT: Oh, you seemed to have some serious trouble understanding analogy examples too.

Sorry for not replying before but I just woke up.
As I see you are very hardhead it seems correct to answer last time before the real farewell... RNG is neither good nor bad, and that's a fact, the rest are only human appreciations.

Bye. Ahora si ya me cansaste y eso que vengo recien despertando, adios xD