How to flip for massive profit? New players please read this !

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jeke777 wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

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jeke777 wrote:

If someone is willing to sell an item under it's current value or with leagues you know the price of some items will go up near the end of it I don't see a problem taking advantage of this. The person who is selling the item might need some fast currency and is willing to offer it at a lower price or whatever other reason. It's different when someone posts fake items on POE trade to trick people into selling the item at a lower value than it really is. They even go as far to message people offering the price they fixed on POE trade.

Well, the topic of discussion is on fake item listers or flippers who are trying to profit people's hard earned currency.

If the "someone" that you mention above is willing to sell the item under value for whatever reasons then he wouldn't be classified as under fake item listers or flippers.

I didn't go through all posts but what you described in your original post is fake item listing. Flipping is buying items in the hope of selling it at a later date for profit.

Nope.

It is both about flipping and fake item listing in the original post although it is not explicitly explained.

Flipping involves sniping off the item at a price that they wanted before reselling it for profits.

Fake item listing is more tedious as it involves the additional step of luring sellers into thinking the listed price is the actual market price before sniping off the item at a price that they wanted and reselling it again for profits.

Both have the same intentions but methods may differ.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Nope.

It is both about flipping and fake item listing in the original post although it is not explicitly explained.

Flipping involves sniping off the item at a price that they wanted before reselling it for profits.

Fake item listing is more tedious as it involves the additional step of luring sellers into thinking the listed price is the actual market price before sniping off the item at a price that they wanted and reselling it again for profits.

Both have the same intentions but methods may differ.

I don't think you can put them in the same category. Is flipping questionable? Maybe but it's taking advantage of the knowledge of items being underpriced which you can sell later for profit. Fake item listing is straight up trying to scam people. You said you were a flipping tycoon in Diablo3. Did you feel like you were scamming people the whole time?

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jeke777 wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Nope.

It is both about flipping and fake item listing in the original post although it is not explicitly explained.

Flipping involves sniping off the item at a price that they wanted before reselling it for profits.

Fake item listing is more tedious as it involves the additional step of luring sellers into thinking the listed price is the actual market price before sniping off the item at a price that they wanted and reselling it again for profits.

Both have the same intentions but methods may differ.

I don't think you can put them in the same category. Is flipping questionable? Maybe but it's taking advantage of the knowledge of items being underpriced which you can sell later for profit. Fake item listing is straight up trying to scam people. You said you were a flipping tycoon in Diablo3. Did you feel like you were scamming people the whole time?

Yes, they can be put into the same category as long as they have the same intentions although their methods are different.

Yep, I used to be a flipping tycoon in Diablo 3 and yes, i feel like i scammed some of the buyers at that point of time. The reason I did that was because the loot drop was so terrible to the point that players had to grind mindlessly before they MAY find any upgrade for their gears. Investing time on flipping the AH seems to be a more sensible way of finding gear upgrades and that's why i did that.

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Vilmir420 wrote:

These are fairly simple questions and I'm not here to give out free lessons in common sense, you're on your own if you need anything else explained.

With the law, anything is but simple.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

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jeke777 wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Nope.

It is both about flipping and fake item listing in the original post although it is not explicitly explained.

Flipping involves sniping off the item at a price that they wanted before reselling it for profits.

Fake item listing is more tedious as it involves the additional step of luring sellers into thinking the listed price is the actual market price before sniping off the item at a price that they wanted and reselling it again for profits.

Both have the same intentions but methods may differ.

I don't think you can put them in the same category. Is flipping questionable? Maybe but it's taking advantage of the knowledge of items being underpriced which you can sell later for profit. Fake item listing is straight up trying to scam people. You said you were a flipping tycoon in Diablo3. Did you feel like you were scamming people the whole time?

Yes, they can be put into the same category as long as they have the same intentions although their methods are different.

Yep, I used to be a flipping tycoon in Diablo 3 and yes, i feel like i scammed some of the buyers at that point of time. The reason I did that was because the loot drop was so terrible to the point that players had to grind mindlessly before they MAY find any upgrade for their gears. Investing time on flipping the AH seems to be a more sensible way of finding gear upgrades and that's why i did that.

Let's take for example an exalt orb early league I could maybe buy them for 15c. Would it be wrong if I intend to sell it later on for 60c. I don't see it as a scam because the seller needed the chaos at that time and actually early league having chaos to trade for super cheap items can net you more profit and give you the items you want faster.

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jeke777 wrote:

Let's take for example an exalt orb early league I could maybe buy them for 15c. Would it be wrong if I intend to sell it later on for 60c. I don't see it as a scam because the seller needed the chaos at that time and actually early league having chaos to trade for super cheap items can net you more profit and give you the items you want faster.

Well, that item is a currency and it will appreciate or depreciate depending on market demand and supply. However, looking at past history and standard game 's exchange rates, one can safely say that exalted orb is bound to be more than 15c.


So I wouldn't say that its a scam or wrong since both parties most likely share the common knowledge. Also, few people would sell exalted orbs for 15c unless he is completely new to this game or he is just filthy rich or he could be a fake item lister too lol.

That being said, regardless of whether it is wrong or right, what matter most is how other players perceived that act.

One thing for sure is that flippers and fake item listers made it harder for players who actually want to buy the item for their upgrades so that they can better progress in this game.

And, that point alone already sums up everything.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Its simple but it seems someone still need someone to educate him including whether English is universal language or not

Well, if law was simple, everybody would be a lawyer... now let's check the real world. Oh wait, not everyone is... I wonder why that is?

English is still not a universal language ;)

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Well, that item is a currency and it will appreciate or depreciate depending on market demand and supply.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Perhaps POE trade could implement a new rule that if if an item has been sold at a price, then the next time the buyer sells that item, it has to be fixed at that price.

Oh wait... isn't that a contradiction? You demanded first to put a system in place where once a price, always same price? Now you say the value varies over time? oO

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

However, looking at past history and standard game 's exchange rates, one can safely say that exalted orb is bound to be more than 15c.

An item is only worth as much as someone is to let it go for and someone else is willing to pay for.

As prices are just made up, you can't count on the past... maybe have a look at the Tulip mania.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

One thing for sure is that flippers and fake item listers made it harder for players who actually want to buy the item for their upgrades so that they can better progress in this game.

Isn't that just wrong. If fake prices are listed - also lower prices - and others see those price, then they aren't willing to spend suddenly 5x 10x as much currency. So fake price listing for flippers to buy actually helps other buyers - hence making their progress easier by obtaining the desired item at lower prices.

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hyper_ch wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Its simple but it seems someone still need someone to educate him including whether English is universal language or not

Well, if law was simple, everybody would be a lawyer... now let's check the real world. Oh wait, not everyone is... I wonder why that is?

English is still not a universal language ;)

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1787447/page/9

"You claimed english to be a universal language. It obviously isn't. It's also not the most spoken language and neither the most spread one."

Sorry, ENGLISH is the only language meant to be used to communicate between different culture or different language speaking people.

As such, it is the universal language.

FACT.

Deny it if you want but the fact that POE Global is in English although it serves the GLOBAL already proves that ENGLISH is the universal language.

Maybe not entirely but FOR SURE IT IS at least in POE.

Try to use your own "universal language" in this thread and sees whether if anyone cares to reply?

Maybe your other 3 friends might reply.

Oh wait? you have no constructive arguments?

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hyper_ch wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Well, that item is a currency and it will appreciate or depreciate depending on market demand and supply.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Perhaps POE trade could implement a new rule that if if an item has been sold at a price, then the next time the buyer sells that item, it has to be fixed at that price.

Oh wait... isn't that a contradiction? You demanded first to put a system in place where once a price, always same price? Now you say the value varies over time? oO

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

However, looking at past history and standard game 's exchange rates, one can safely say that exalted orb is bound to be more than 15c.

An item is only worth as much as someone is to let it go for and someone else is willing to pay for.

As prices are just made up, you can't count on the past... maybe have a look at the Tulip mania.

Oh wait i think someones is confused of the meaning of "demand" and "suggestion"

And FYI i was referring to an item, NOT a currency.

REALLY make me LMAO all day long.