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Deadpeng wrote:

Is the blade flurry nerf not big enough to justify blade flurry RIP as well? Honestly asking...

if 3% less DPS and ~15% less area (squared?) is a RIP for you, then it is a RIP for you

EDIT: There's another thread somewhere on the forums where Tiem_ agrees that ~15% area reduction for targeting and slash radius means that Blade Flurry is completely and totally unusable now, so you can go join with him if you'd like

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adghar wrote:

(14+264)/2*20 = 2780 original damage

[((14+264)/2*0.7) + ((14+264)/2*0.7 * 0.3*20)]*(1+0.1*20)/0.6 = 3405.5 new damage

Wait what Blade Vortex was buffed?????????????????????????????????????????????

It's a buff!

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JoBang wrote:

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adghar wrote:

(14+264)/2*20 = 2780 original damage

[((14+264)/2*0.7) + ((14+264)/2*0.7 * 0.3*20)]*(1+0.1*20)/0.6 = 3405.5 new damage

Wait what Blade Vortex was buffed?????????????????????????????????????????????

It's a buff!

Honestly, I've never played Blade Vortex for more than like 5 minutes before, so it's very possible I calculated something wrong and/or am misinterpreting the patch notes.

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adghar wrote:

I don't see why you took * 7 * 5 instead of * 20?

The way I interpreted "30% more damage per active blade" was that instead of adding flat damage, it adds a damage bonus per stack

so instead of 14-264 * 20

you would do (14-264 * 0.7) + (14-264 * 0.7 * 0.3 * 20)

and add a multiplier of +0.1 per active blade

[ (14-264) + (14-264 * 0.3 * 19) ] * (1 + 0.1 * 20)

and then buff it all by 1/0.6 because of the base frequency change

so all in all, using averages, the comparison would be

(14+264)/2*20 = 2780 original damage

[((14+264)/2*0.7) + ((14+264)/2*0.7 * 0.3*20)]*(1+0.1*20)/0.6 = 3405.5 new damage

Wait what Blade Vortex was buffed?????????????????????????????????????????????

This is correct. BV literally got buffed lads.

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adghar wrote:

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XerxezBreak wrote:

Skill Balance Changes:

Blade Vortex has been refactored. Instead of separate hits for each active blade, the blades now increase the frequency at which all enemies in the radius take damage, and the amount of damage they take. The skill now has a base hit frequency of 600ms and has 10% increased hit rate per active blade. Its damage has been reduced by 30% at all levels and it deals 30% more damage per active blade.

14-264 * 20 = 280-5280
(14-264 - 30%) * 7 = 68-1293 * 5 = 340-6465

was 280-5280 per second
now 340-6465 per second

I don't see why you took * 7 * 5 instead of * 20?

The way I interpreted "30% more damage per active blade" was that instead of adding flat damage, it adds a damage bonus per stack

so instead of 14-264 * 20

you would do (14-264 * 0.7) + (14-264 * 0.7 * 0.3 * 20)

and add a multiplier of +0.1 per active blade

[ (14-264) + (14-264 * 0.3 * 19) ] * (1 + 0.1 * 20)

and then buff it all by 1/0.6 because of the base frequency change

so all in all, using averages, the comparison would be

(14+264)/2*20 = 2780 original damage

[((14+264)/2*0.7) + ((14+264)/2*0.7 * 0.3*20)]*(1+0.1*20)/0.6 = 3405.5 new damage

Wait what Blade Vortex was buffed?????????????????????????????????????????????

Sorry I will readjust my math

(14+264)/2 * 20 = 2780 DPS
((14+264)/2 * 20) * 0.7 =
1946 * 6.7(30% more per blade) * 5(200ms at max blade) = 65,191 DPS

was 2,780 DPS
now 65,191 DPS

What...

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XerxezBreak wrote:

Sorry I will readjust my math

(14+264)/2 * 20 = 2780 DPS
((14+264)/2 * 20) * 0.7 =
1946 * 6.7(30% more per blade) * 5(200ms at max blade) = 65,191 DPS

was 2,780 DPS
now 65,191 DPS

What...

It's a troll!

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XerxezBreak wrote:

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XerxezBreak wrote:

Skill Balance Changes:

Blade Vortex has been refactored. Instead of separate hits for each active blade, the blades now increase the frequency at which all enemies in the radius take damage, and the amount of damage they take. The skill now has a base hit frequency of 600ms and has 10% increased hit rate per active blade. Its damage has been reduced by 30% at all levels and it deals 30% more damage per active blade.

Sorry I will readjust my math

(14+264)/2 * 20 = 2780 DPS
((14+264)/2 * 20) * 0.7 =
1946 * 7(30% more per blade) * 5(200ms at max blade) = 68,110 DPS

was 2,780 DPS
now 68,110 DPS

What...

I think your original calc was actually right, you accounted for each blade twice there.

Modification of your thing:

((14+264)/2) * 0.7 =
97.3 * 7(30% more per blade) * 5(200ms at max blade) = 3405.5 DPS

This agrees with my calculation above.

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adghar wrote:

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XerxezBreak wrote:

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XerxezBreak wrote:

Skill Balance Changes:

Blade Vortex has been refactored. Instead of separate hits for each active blade, the blades now increase the frequency at which all enemies in the radius take damage, and the amount of damage they take. The skill now has a base hit frequency of 600ms and has 10% increased hit rate per active blade. Its damage has been reduced by 30% at all levels and it deals 30% more damage per active blade.

Sorry I will readjust my math

(14+264)/2 * 20 = 2780 DPS
((14+264)/2 * 20) * 0.7 =
1946 * 7(30% more per blade) * 5(200ms at max blade) = 68,110 DPS

was 2,780 DPS
now 68,110 DPS

What...

I think your original calc was actually right, you accounted for each blade twice there.

Modification of your thing:

((14+264)/2) * 0.7 =
97.3 * 7(30% more per blade) * 5(200ms at max blade) = 3405.5 DPS

This agrees with my calculation above.

Every time they try to nerf Blade Vortex they just make it 10x stronger

Actually, after reading the patch notes I wasnt sure if BV was nerfed. I mean, BV pathfinder is nerfed for sure, and in general surgeon flasks arent free anymore for a BV user. But apart from that, the base hit rate nerf and less damage multiplier seem to be compensated by the more multiplier per blade.

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adghar wrote:

I think your original calc was actually right, you accounted for each blade twice there.

Modification of your thing:

((14+264)/2) * 0.7 =
97.3 * 7(30% more per blade) * 5(200ms at max blade) = 3405.5 DPS

This agrees with my calculation above.

That sounds like a realistic number. At first I thought that each blade was a separate 1.3 multiplier (because it says more damage). But after doing the maths with that, it was like 1.3^20 X base damage X 0.7 , which was way too high.

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1 Stack deals 257 damage per second, 5 Stacks deal 963 damage, 10 deal 2053 damage and for 20 I made a small error (600% more damage is 700% damage, not 600), so the actual damage is 5390.

I used the average damage on lvl20 as a base (which was 220, now it is 70% of that). Also lvl1 is a bit off because I didn't account for the 10% increased hit rate you get, too much math.

So what they did is increase the damage for 1 blade slightly, massively increased the damage for 20 blades while slightly cutting the damage in the middle. I'm not really sure how this works out, but honestly the bigger change is surgeon.

To get into the math:

With 20 Charges you get 600% more damage and 200% increased hit rate. This means 200ms intervalls or 5 hits per second and 7 times the base damage. So going back to our base damage this means:

220 x 0,7 x 7 x 5 = 5390 (0,7 accounts for the 30% reduced base damage).

The old skill simply was 220 x 20, so you had a base damage of 4400.

Another thing to look at is the damage effectiveness. The old BV had 600% damage effectiveness. The new one will have 1050% damage effectiveness.


I would assume someone made the same error I did earlier and forgot that they already doubled BVs damage intervall from 500ms to 1.000 and based the new numbers on the old 0,5 seconds. Or maybe they wanted to adjust it considering that it is the skill which is affected the most by the surgeon changes.

PS:

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((14+264)/2) * 0.7 =

The lower end damage of blade vortex is higher than 14 :P its 176, so my 5390 is likely a better number, old average of a lvl20 skill was 220, so go with that.