handling guild membership for supporters

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Rather than any period of guaranteed membership, donating points to your guild carries with it a permanent cost to kicking you from said guild - kicking means refunding all points donated by the kicked member to the kicked member.

yep, that would also solve it. and would be easy to implement. great idea.

And the member slots and stash tabs purchased by those points, what happens to them then?

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StDrakeX wrote:

And the member slots and stash tabs purchased by those points, what happens to them then?

they stay in the guild.

the guild leader has to purchase points to refund the player before he can kick him

So guild leaders are therefore held hostage by those he either doesn't want in the guild anymore or even want to be there.

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StDrakeX wrote:

So guide leaders are therefore held hostage by those he either doesn't want in the guild anymore or even want to be there.

yep, they directly profited from someone supporting the guild before because someone supporting means a monetary transfer between both accounts. that money needs to be returned if the contract is off.

to make it easier for guild leaders, ggg could implement that guild leaders can return guild stashes and slots for guild points.

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vio wrote:

to make it easier for guild leaders, ggg could implement that guild leaders can return guild stashes and slots for guild points.

Could. But probably shouldn't.

As a guild member, it's your prerogative to donate. As a guild leader, it's your responsibility to manage that donation. One option is to avoid spending a member's points if you're concerned they won't be a member at some point in the future. Another is to run it similar to an insurance company - you assume a certain retention rate, spending a percentage of donations while maintaining a fund to cover refunds for those who you need to kick.

Let's also keep in mind that I'm not extending this to voluntary leaves. If you aren't kicked, no refund. This might lead to some "kicked in good standing" types of leaves, but that's fine. Because the system penalizes whomever initiates separation, it encourages former friends to reconcile differences and find ways to get along.

But if guild points are mismanaged, I would hope GGG can profit off of it. A guild leader might want to literally throw money at the problem. Considering the guild already received that money and this received what is essentially an interest-free loan, I don't see the problem.

I don't think it's their perogative to profit in any way off the points donated by members. No one really forces people to donate and if they do then I guess they can't shoulder the costs of developing the guild. In a way a by giving points you are saying goodbye to them for a purpose. If relationships fall apart like they often do, then both parties are losers in the end. I get that you're saying that people who leave end up with nothing whilst the owner still retains a guild. But is that the risk you take by donating to something you believe? If a charity goes belly up do the donations get refunded? Do I get any of my money back if Path of Exile servers goes down one day?

You get the 3 month kick protection if a leader "accepts" the points which is adequate enough to prevent actual abuse. But if you want anything more such as safeguards to protect "points" then you never really believed in the guild or the leader in the first place.

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StDrakeX wrote:

You get the 3 month kick protection if a leader "accepts" the points which is adequate enough to prevent actual abuse. But if you want anything more such as safeguards to protect "points" then you never really believed in the guild or the leader in the first place.

Couldn't you reverse that logic and apply it in the other direction? If a guild leader isn't willing to spend points donated by a member due to concern that member might be kicked later, then the leader "never really believed in that member in the first place?"

I guess but that's what you have to weigh when accepting donations of points, as a leader should. Honestly that's why I would shoulder the burden myself since ultimately I would rather not be poisoned from within if suddenly a person decides to be an ass and couldn't be kicked x amount of time since I accepted their points. But I guess that's an extra problem I wouldn't want to cross my mind since in the end I want to play the game and not Fantasy Football Manager.

best solution is to not join any guild at all.

I never have in any game i played and Im sure not going to change it now