handling guild membership for supporters

make a guild membership permanent for people who supported points towards guilds.
see below, also changed the title from "permanent guild membership for supporters" to "handling guild membership for supporters"

especially with the new feature of seeing the last time someone was online which comes with the atlas xpac i predict tears and hate in guilds.

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alternatively you could provide letter boards where people can leave notes for their beloved guild fuhrer or officers or future military grades on why they can't play currently.

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second alternative which may require more work

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scrotieMcB made the much better suggestion to have the guild leader refund the points someone supported the guild with before he can kick him.

much better and easier than my suggestion.

Have to agree, even though I am only now trying to get my 2 person guild off the ground after years. And I only agree because GGG's name and shame policy is so absolute to avoid false accusations and witch hunts. If we could be more trustworthy as a community, it would have much more impact if those who either a)kicked people after they donated points and said points were used simply to rip them off or b)Disregarded support for the guild and kicked people due to inactivity with no exceptions for supporters were publicly ostracized for being scummy.

when ggg designed their guild system they obviously had peaceful and caring communities in mind, sadly that's far off the reality too often.

why should people invest into guilds if they don't own them? even if there is a intelligent guild leader who does his/her job perfectly, one can never predict how long that lasts.

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vio wrote:

when ggg designed their guild system they obviously had peaceful and caring communities in mind, sadly that's far off the reality too often.

why should people invest into guilds if they don't own them? even if there is a intelligent guild leader who does his/her job perfectly, one can never predict how long that lasts.

Since I am starting up my guild, I was wondering about that too. It is entirely safer and much less butthurt if instead of donating points, people simply donated tabs or guild slots wholesale and those mtx followed their account, not the guild. Sure the point is to allow the guild to pool money and everybody who can invest in it does, but just make that a side option with it clearly stated that those are then guild bound. If the guild is disbanded, nobody gets it if bought by 2 or more parties points.

So, say a sad troll who has nothing better to do than make peoples lives miserable.

I see that some high profile player has a guild and i manage to join, i donate as little as possible but now i have perma membership.

I start trolling like mad...but they can't kick me, their only choice it to get me banned or to disband the guild wasting everyones money.

Absolutely no. Manage your guild correctly, so you don't get idiots in your guild. And don't join guilds which are managed by idiots.

Its guilds 101. If you recruit people on-masse (or get recruited that way), don't expect GGG to solve your problems.

I really wish times when guilds in games were somewhat exclusive groups, that were very careful about who they invite, required you to fill a application and had their websites. Being in such guild actually felt good, and wasn't just yet another chat to spam... lol.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

So, say a sad troll who has nothing better to do than make peoples lives miserable.

I see that some high profile player has a guild and i manage to join, i donate as little as possible but now i have perma membership.

I start trolling like mad...but they can't kick me, their only choice it to get me banned or to disband the guild wasting everyones money.

Hence why I think account bound guild purchases are more viable with the option to have guild bound donation system still in place. Would still need to have staff that monitor unfair kick complaints and determine if recent interactions necessitated kicking (to me inactivity is stupid reasoning if you donated) then fine, let it be, but if the guild monitor staff member looks at the complainer's transactions and they donated x points and got kicked for no legitimate reason, convert the stash tab into remove only and return the points to the plaintiff (similar locking out for a member slot) that they paid and the guild then has to pay the missing points to gain full access again.

It just gets messy pretty quickly. I wonder how much profit GGG makes from guild stash space and slots and wonder if there is a safer way to let guilds have them based on how much money they even provide GGG.

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Perq wrote:

Absolutely no. Manage your guild correctly, so you don't get idiots in your guild. And don't join guilds which are managed by idiots.

Its guilds 101. If you recruit people on-masse (or get recruited that way), don't expect GGG to solve your problems.

I really wish times when guilds in games were somewhat exclusive groups, that were very careful about who they invite, required you to fill a application and had their websites. Being in such guild actually felt good, and wasn't just yet another chat to spam... lol.

I honestly like those too, but 99% any guild resembling that always has activity rules and such that are a pain for more casual member to attend to while also wanting to be fairly loyal members. Activity requirements are easily forgotten when irl stuff pops up, required event attendence in games that allowed full guild size groups was always, bleh to me, etc. I love PoE but there are things that could easily pull me away and get me kicked.

I disagree strongly with the suggestion in the OP. Why? Because I think I have a better suggestion:
Rather than any period of guaranteed membership, donating points to your guild carries with it a permanent cost to kicking you from said guild - kicking means refunding all points donated by the kicked member to the kicked member.
This protects both ways. A jerk cannot buy their way into permanent acceptance, and a shady guild leader cannot wait until the "untouchable" period is over to rob a guild member of points.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

So, say a sad troll who has nothing better to do than make peoples lives miserable.

I see that some high profile player has a guild and i manage to join, i donate as little as possible but now i have perma membership.

investing in a guild is a risk, currently the risk is only on the investor who supports the guild. if the guild leader get's funny or is replaced by an idiot you have no chance to see your money again if you get kicked. while the guild leader can only profit from someone supporting.

sure, this dependency has a disciplining function for guild members, in a bad way.
but who is so stupid to invest into something which constrains himself? only masochists or people who don't care for the money invested.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

I start trolling like mad...but they can't kick me, their only choice it to get me banned or to disband the guild wasting everyones money.

there could be new ways to get someone off a guild long term.

my suggestion for a permanent guild membership on support was meant as a quick band aid before they overhaul the whole system to bind guild features on accounts. which is substantially more work.