ProjectPT: "we're not rewarded for challenges...

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

The risk/reward ratio is set assuming you're going to be primarily rewarding yourself through trade. The content regardless of difficulty has a relatively even distribution of low value rewards that are intend to be exchanged to something more valuable and more specific than rng alone could allow for.

This does mean it will always be more efficient to ignore outliers in difficulty relative to your build.

So bottom line difficulty ≠ reward because economy. Which isn't anything new.

Edit: I'm not saying this is bad or negative. In fact this is one of the defining unique feature of PoE and to change this would change how PoE feels to play which I wouldn't want.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

I agree with PT to an extent on that one.

I think its getting better, uber lab for example has really good risk vs reward balance imo in terms of the loots and enchants at the end from a repeated grinding view point, putting the whole ascendacy aspect to one side. Its not all bad, its not even mostly bad imo, but theres examples of some bad in there still and sometimes in places where we could do with things being good.


Rolling maps is pretty bullshit tbh in terms of cost and risk vs what you actually get back. Run 4 yellow maps with hellish mods for no real return, then run a 2 easy mod blue map and get 4x +1 map drops, rng is rng, risk vs reward is just non existent. I get an extra invent of vendor rares that made me 4 alterations and I found an extra chaos in each yellow map... ok, what did I spend rolling each of them? 4 chis, 1 alch, 2 chaos + 3 chaos zana mod... ya risk vs reward... lel. Its cost + risk vs a lottery tickets hope in hell of a reward.

Adding the extra map drops to bosses was a good start at solving some of mappings issues in this regard.

Abaxoth. Why would you kill Abaxoth or any or the beyond demons? Cant even drop maps, maybe you get a handful of rare items worth about 1.5 alts when u vendor them. Same reward you get for killing a pack of blue skeles in merciless docks.

We are talking in another thread about merciless malachai, and why anyone would bother killing him and completing the actual game?


I think the devs dont rly appreciate just how worthless the amount of rng in orb and rare items has made these things in the minds of players as a potential reward. I like the high rng of rare item rolls, I like that we have varying values of currency etc, but the problem becomes when you still think of these things as rewards that will make each instance of taking a risk feel like its worth it. They dont, theyre too random.

If I decide to sit down and map for the next 2 hours I cant realistically expect to find anything of any value to me basically, its unlikely Ill even break even currency wise on what i spend rolling the maps. In other games you will find roughly X gold per hour, and you certainly wont be spending more gold to play than you find, thats an absurd idea outside of poe. In this game I dont find x currency per hour on average, its all over the place, 99% of the time I find next to nothing and then I randomly find 2 exalts in 1 hour. Theres nothing to make me want to play for 2 hours, to motivate me to play that day in terms of currency drops. You treat them like extreme variance rares, expect nothing hour by hour, or even day by day, but play for 200 hours and somewhere in there rng will happen, probably.

Other games loot is random, not as random as this game (thats why their loot is shit too tho), but currency and xp are consistent. In this game currency and rares are random, the only consistent thing worth playing for day by day, your motivation to log on is xp, thats all you are guaranteed to get that day.

Expect when you cant because map drops and even that bit, the only thing left can be totally fucked into a pool of rng hell. A lot less so now, honestly maps seem to drop like candy now in my opinion and zana sells you t11s, thats not a gripe I have with the game any more.


And then you get a league like perandus where they are giving out insane rewards, but theyre not really tied to risk and theres still a lot of risk in the game that the devs seem to refuse to give even an adequate reward to, and I wonder at that mentality. I feel that it maybe stems from them not seeing the 'rewards' in the same light we do because theyre looking more at the big picture and not minute by minute risk vs reward in the mind of a journeyman player whos just going to laugh at the idea that regular item drops, currency drops or xp are worth any real risk, because they can get those chaining blue t8-10s.


Im the sort of person who, for the most, is happy with the idea of playing 200 hours and then another 200 hours and then another and stuff is happening somewhere in there. But I do feel the bite of worthlessness in a given days play at times and I can empathise with those who are more time constrained than I am. I would also like a reason to take more risks tbh because that makes the game fun. Why am I going to play a -max double extra as ele map where a vol blood can 1 shot a 12k es char? Zero incentive.