Nuro's harp needs to be buffed a bit

Nuro isn't working as a high tier unique is expected to.

Been playing around with it for a while. Its damage is too low, lacks physical to ele conversion, trigger effect is interesting, but inconsistent. Cannot work effectively with ice shot.
Was building specially around this bow, with ele dmg increase nodes/items. At the end did what all do - grabbed a good phys bow, converted damage, got both cold through hatred and fire through HoA. The converted cold exceeded Nuro's damage by a mile, got fire in addition. Was able to effectively use ice shot and to get the benefits of the hypothermia support 100% of the time, in a difference of Nuro's special effect.

What's worse, this bow is bad even if working around mass heralds/ele dmg auras. An average ele bow will do it better, providing higher AS and all the three elements + some conversion through ice shot, if build is focused on cold.

For me Nuro was a disappointment.

I really like the fact that there is a pure cold damage bow in the game, but it's just too shitty to ever use. Oro's has the highest base dps of all unique weapons because it's elemental (and thus hard to scale), and because of it's downside (but it also has the frenzy generation), and then there's somehow this bow, which is the same, but with cold damage, and apparently like 30% of the damage it should have if being compared to Oro's.

I like the idea of a heavy hitting cold bow, but why would you ever use this bow over a phys harbinger with Hatred and Ice Shot? You can't even use Hatred with Nuro's!

If you keep the attack speed where it is, it stays a sort of niche, unique weapon, but the other effects need to be updated to match. If you really want to keep support, give freezes with the free weapon proliferation, and/or make shattering an enemy deal cold damage in an area (stackable with Herald of Ice). It would be really fun I think to play a Herald of Ice build based around freezing and shattering, and, in this instance, the bow would still suffer a lot against bosses, but provide good support and damage to standard mobs.

Alternatively, if you literally *double* the damage of the bow, it might actually become viable, but with it's low crit, AS, and inability to use Hatred, I don't see even that being enough. Add another 30% crit chance and we're talking something at least doable with someone who has some access to elemental scaling nodes.


But please buff this bow! I would love to run around with it and shatter shit, but you currently just can't.

One more reason I found:

I use Herald of ice on my Voltaxic Rift/lightning arrow build and even that build is shattering more enemies on kill than this bow.
So there is obviously something "hinky" with this bow.

The problem that it's a combo of random affixes that are also weak/low rolled. it suffers the GGG design balance of throw a ton of random shit on it and call it unique.

No p-damage, then it must have decent elemental damage? Not really since it's a low roll.

It must have really good mods then?

1. (10 to 30)% increased Light Radius
Uhh I'll consider that a freebie

2. 15% chance to create Chilled Ground when you Freeze an Enemy
So the only real bow based attach I would use with this is ice shot, which already does this. It isn't strong enough to consider some sort of hipster avatar of fire build covert to cold to fire and then you wear 3 dragons to freeze or something.

3. Create Consecrated Ground when you Shatter an Enemy
Weakish affix, and even more so when they added flasks and ton of other way to also obtain this effect. If it was create ground everytime you chill instead that would be much better.

Even if GGG realized an amazing new cold based arrow attack, this bow still wouldn't make a interesting variant on it.

15%chance to make consecrated ground on shatter?
make it 100% to create ON CHILL
and someone MIGHT use it

so ALWAYS with ice shot,
but u also have to choice to use other skills since high base dmg might chill.

maybe a summoner will ice shot gmp chain curse and heal his minions.
maybe the summoner is CI or hybrid life/ES with ZO so regen is nice.
people still wouldnt use it.

I think what the bow needs is an OK (but not too amazing) Increased Cold Damage mod (eg: 40-60%?)
That way you could boost the effective cold damage for low-end builds without risking it becoming 'OP' for really high-end builds. Also it would enable some hipster bow caster builds. Ice spear that drops chilled ground, for eg.

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zephiroth3 wrote:

15%chance to make consecrated ground on shatter?
make it 100% to create ON CHILL
and someone MIGHT use it

No. Nobody would use it because it would lag the crap out of everybody's computer.

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dudiobugtron wrote:

That way you could boost the effective cold damage for low-end builds without risking it becoming 'OP' for really high-end builds. Also it would enable some hipster bow caster builds. Ice spear that drops chilled ground, for eg.

Oh my god. Yes please.

Can we get this installed yet GGG? Let's Make Nuro's Great

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Nuro wrote:

The low attack speed is an intentional design decision that won't be buffed.

There are already plenty of unique bows with high attack speed if your goal is to min-max flat elemental damage modifiers; rare bows also cover this niche rather effectively. To make another bow that's just the same as existing options doesn't make sense to me. My unique's low attack speed and pure cold damage promotes using a very different tree and very different support choices.

I also went with low attack speed as it allows for higher flat damage on the weapon when being balanced, which is important for successfully freezing targets. If the DPS aspect of the item were to be buffed I'd rather see the flat cold damage increased.

That said I'm not really sure that a DPS increase is necessary. The item is designed with a defensive focus in mind and currently isn't cutting it for more support-oriented builds, so you should expect that aspect to be examined instead. This would also benefit survival for a DPS-oriented build, though.

Could you please link us the build and supports this bow is designed to use in T15 maps?