How exactly Doomfletch Prism works?

Currently trying to play with D. Prism. Use Girdle for damage and life. Still use Tabula Rasa and shitty rares, uniques from lower levels. Also Ascetic + Normal ring, because I am greedy bastard. My Kintsugi doesn't even want to get to 6 Sockets with 200+ Jeweller's orb... Now I have enough Exalts to afford at least okay'ish Reach of the Council to compensate for lack of 6 link though...My passive tree needs rethinking as well. I don't know what to do next honestly. ._.

About PoE's terminology.

There is curse skills like Vulnerablity. Their description says - "Increased damage". Go to Damage article - "all increased damage modifiers of same type are additive". But guess what? Damage from this curses, despite universal rule works as "More damage" and not "increased damage". Moreover, it's multiplicicative with other damage bonuses and additive among "increased damage" from other curses of this type. This exception from the universal rules is just one of the many and you can never know. You can only know it when you already encountered this exact scenario. Like you probably did for years of playing this game. Of course, before GGG changes everything again the very next day.

So, please don't tell me that PoE is perfectly understandable and easy.

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Alex_Lied wrote:

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EmptyPalms wrote:

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Are there currently any builds using this item? I tried to skim the builds section but was not able to find one.

Seems to me most classes can take advantage of this weapon, I decided on Marauder for survive-ability. Although I attempted Templar/Shadow, but wasn't comfortable with the tree.

What do you guys think of this Tree?

The only thing I am concerned about it whether it is worth trying to use Crit through Lioneye's Fall jewel (above RT) or just removing all crit and relying on the flat damage of the item. If this was the case I would most likely drop accuracy nodes and take RT.

I'm planning to go Lioneye's Vision chest with Drillneck and possibly Abyssus if I can save up for one.

Thanks.

To start of... wrong section, post it in builds section....

To end of... sorry for being rude but... did really read this topic? We are taliking about bow and you post.... build with staves increases, melee critical chances etc... also 8 points in ascendancy?? Do you really play poe? From number of titles near your nick I would think otherwise but what you just posted.... if it's your first build (account borrowed from brother... I dont know), I would advice you to follow something from build section.

First off, did you even read my post? I said I am taking the Lioneye's Fall unique jewel that converts those nodes into Bow nodes.

Second, have you ever posted a build theorycraft in those forums? Most people are only looking for build guides and do not want to help create the build. I have created multiple build threads and pretty much no one ever responded about my inquiries. Thus instead of creating a new thread discussing the build enabling unique, I posted in a similar thread that is discussing said unique.

Also, I already stated that I had checked the build section and did not find a relevant post using this unique.

In case you didn't know, you can now get 8 ascendancy points if you complete the endgame lab.

As others have stated, the best way to scale this bow is with flat physical on pretty much everything you can get. I love Pillar of the Caged God builds, and this bow reminds me of that item.

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SunL4D2 wrote:

There is curse skills like Vulnerablity. Their description says - "Increased damage". Go to Damage article - "all increased damage modifiers of same type are additive". But guess what? Damage from this curses, despite universal rule works as "More damage" and not "increased damage". Moreover, it's multiplicicative with other damage bonuses and additive among "increased damage" from other curses of this type. This exception from the universal rules is just one of the many and you can never know. You can only know it when you already encountered this exact scenario. Like you probably did for years of playing this game. Of course, before GGG changes everything again the very next day.

So, please don't tell me that PoE is perfectly understandable and easy.

Nope, you're still wrong, sorry. For this you simply have to look at additional wording beyond the word "increased". Namely, the wording is "take increased damage", rather than "deal increased damage" (or just plain "increased damage"). That means that it's a multiplier that occurs at the monster (rather than from your attack itself) while it's receiving the damage. So it makes perfect sense that it stacks additively with other "take increased damage" modifiers but multiplicatively with your own "deal increased damage" modifiers :P

If the wording on, say, vulnerability was "you deal increased damage against cursed enemies" then it would function differently. Doedre's scorn is one that makes you deal increased damage against cursed enemies instead of making them take increased damage, for example.

Thanks for the opinion guys, gonna check how much decent gear with added phys will cost me to play with Prism.

I don't see a reason why he can't ask such question here, so, please, lend him your wisdom as well. :P

HikaruYami, don't want to discuss semantics and derail thread even more, so let's keep our opinions about confusing wordings in PoE to ourselves.

Edit: Ninja'd by Hikaru. Who probably said it in a more concise way, so deleted my comment about that.


@EmptyPalms:
What's the point on using Whirling Barrier?
Given your ratio of dmg/as increases, Crual Kraityn might be a better choice than oak, haven't calculated that through yet.
In case you plan on getting extra accuracy on gloves or the like, dropping Expertise and Whirling Barrier for Precision might provide more overall DPS.

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UnDeaD_CyBorG wrote:

Edit: Ninja'd by Hikaru. Who probably said it in a more concise way, so deleted my comment about that.


@EmptyPalms:
What's the point on using Whirling Barrier?
Given your ratio of dmg/as increases, Crual Kraityn might be a better choice than oak, haven't calculated that through yet.
In case you plan on getting extra accuracy on gloves or the like, dropping Expertise and Whirling Barrier for Precision might provide more overall DPS.

You're right, I was planning to use Rearguard (might be better defensively) originally so that I can get the block from that node, swapping it out as you recommended is a good idea. If I ended up using Rearguard I may drop the 5% life above discipline and training instead of Whirling Barrier. Would drop the other stat nodes depending on gear.

What is your opinion on using this bow in a non-crit build from the left side of the tree due to not having easily accessible crit chance and crit multi nodes? I'm currently leaning towards non-crit.

Well, I guess you can still make a crit build without critting every shot. Even every second would do.
If you use RT...
Hmm, could spec into Bonebreaker. Or even Bloody Bludeon, though that's a bit costly.
Makes the staff cluster rather unattractive, though, with how much crit and related bonuses it grants. Alternative could be Strong Arm, or Wrecking Ball.
Points freed up could bring you to Celestial Judgement, in any case.
Could also spend freed up points to climb up and take AoF, but I've planned that in the past if I feel if you go that route Elementalist might be the better start.
Tricky, there's not too much real Estate to grab. Plenty of extra life, though. :P

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Vipermagi wrote:

Did you know I'm secretly a fortune teller btw?

Quite talented, too. Though not as quiet this time. ;)

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EmptyPalms wrote:

Spoiler

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Alex_Lied wrote:

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EmptyPalms wrote:

Spoiler

Are there currently any builds using this item? I tried to skim the builds section but was not able to find one.

Seems to me most classes can take advantage of this weapon, I decided on Marauder for survive-ability. Although I attempted Templar/Shadow, but wasn't comfortable with the tree.

What do you guys think of this Tree?

The only thing I am concerned about it whether it is worth trying to use Crit through Lioneye's Fall jewel (above RT) or just removing all crit and relying on the flat damage of the item. If this was the case I would most likely drop accuracy nodes and take RT.

I'm planning to go Lioneye's Vision chest with Drillneck and possibly Abyssus if I can save up for one.

Thanks.

To start of... wrong section, post it in builds section....

To end of... sorry for being rude but... did really read this topic? We are taliking about bow and you post.... build with staves increases, melee critical chances etc... also 8 points in ascendancy?? Do you really play poe? From number of titles near your nick I would think otherwise but what you just posted.... if it's your first build (account borrowed from brother... I dont know), I would advice you to follow something from build section.

First off, did you even read my post? I said I am taking the Lioneye's Fall unique jewel that converts those nodes into Bow nodes.

Second, have you ever posted a build theorycraft in those forums? Most people are only looking for build guides and do not want to help create the build. I have created multiple build threads and pretty much no one ever responded about my inquiries. Thus instead of creating a new thread discussing the build enabling unique, I posted in a similar thread that is discussing said unique.

Also, I already stated that I had checked the build section and did not find a relevant post using this unique.

In case you didn't know, you can now get 8 ascendancy points if you complete the endgame lab.

As others have stated, the best way to scale this bow is with flat physical on pretty much everything you can get. I love Pillar of the Caged God builds, and this bow reminds me of that item.

Damn, you got me. I get angry when I see people posting their build ideas in mechanic topis so I got careless. Still, that true that from unique build-ideas, normal build questions don't get much love from community.

In case of your build I would totally skip bow critical nodes in down section and this melee crit-lioneye's fall nodes to get EO - with that tree it would be hard to crit but still you should crit every couple of hits, perfect for triggering EO.

Edit: Also, trap build with few of these jewel would be nice for that bow:
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Coated_Shrapnel

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SunL4D2 wrote:

HikaruYami, don't want to discuss semantics and derail thread even more, so let's keep our opinions about confusing wordings in PoE to ourselves.

Opinions? Where did I share an opinion? If something can be cleanly derived from basic principles then it makes logical sense; that's not an opinion. And you were wrong in claiming it didn't make sense, because I clearly explained why it made sense; thus, you being wrong is also not an opinion :)