PSA: CoC is getting rekt in 2.4.0

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BlueJasminez wrote:

They should nerf those trap and mine build instead. And the famous Reach of the Council Spine Bow. CoC is good but to be able to do end game it's need a lot of item too.

Shit clear speed it's one good purpose is one thing - Uber farming that's it. If you want to be a god etc speed clearing etc, mine / trap builds are not that type it's sole purpose is for killing hard bosses.

Council is league item nobody cares.

About time, good riddance.

As for mines, whatever, I don't see why you couldn't do that kind of one-shots if that's all you build around, if it wasn't mines it would be something else. They do seem to have too easy a time surviving against regular mobs though? Maybe there should be a little more of a tradeoff somewhere.

As for council bow, I would probably be more upset about that if I didn't recently acquire and manually 6-link (74 xDD) a better harbinger (yes, even after gmp calculation), so I guess I cannot properly judge.

LETS HAVE A GOOD CRY ABOUT CoC

my most played builds are CoC. i'll probably still play it even if it is nerfed to the ground, but we'll see.

there is no way they'll destroy it completely

if they do nerf it it will be proc rate

now its 70%

mjo used to be 50% and they nerfed it to 30%

so maybe they nerf CoC to like 50% following same nerf pattern

NO BIG DEAL you will roll on as before just a little slower

The real problem is not CoC or mjo its a few broken spells. Mainly the physical spells and discharge.

You notice - No one uses say shock nova plus ice nova CoC because it cant compare to discharge or BF/EK. You notice miners uses same broken spell (BF) as CoC to one shot uber? Not by accident.

Problem with discharge is coc.

Let's add 80% less spell damage and 80% less attack speed on the coc gem. And raise mjolner proc chance to 70% too and give it an additional 80% less spell damage and 80% less attack speed.

They will never buff mjolner tho no matter how biased you are towards it. Especially when it's passively proccing with glove enchants, no internal cooldown on procs, can be DW'ed, and allow double up on spells. With the increase crit chance revamp or assassin, you can also run Mjolner + CoC for retarded combo if you think coc is so much better.

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xMustard wrote:

there is no way they'll destroy it completely

I used to believe in their balancing skills, just like you. Then I took all my currency to the freezing pulse.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

The real problem is not CoC or mjo its a few broken spells. Mainly the physical spells and discharge.

You notice - No one uses say shock nova plus ice nova CoC because it cant compare to discharge or BF/EK. You notice miners uses same broken spell (BF) as CoC to one shot uber? Not by accident.

Actually, this makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

if they do nerf it it will be proc rate

now its 70%

mjo used to be 50% and they nerfed it to 30%

so maybe they nerf CoC to like 50% following same nerf pattern

NO BIG DEAL you will roll on as before just a little slower

The real problem is not CoC or mjo its a few broken spells. Mainly the physical spells and discharge.

You notice - No one uses say shock nova plus ice nova CoC because it cant compare to discharge or BF/EK. You notice miners uses same broken spell (BF) as CoC to one shot uber? Not by accident.

And of course instead of nerfing the source (the spells) they nerf the tool. Like when they nerfed mjolner and made it shit for anything besides Discharge. Or Proliferation. Chances are very high. GGG has never been very sensible about balance.

you're right that the problem with coc is discharge and the physical spells, that is for sure.

though i currently like rolling coc with other spells, things not as often used because its more interesting, it definitely is waaaaaay less effective both offensively and defensively.

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xMustard wrote:

you're right that the problem with coc is discharge and the physical spells, that is for sure.

though i currently like rolling coc with other spells, things not as often used because its more interesting, it definitely is waaaaaay less effective both offensively and defensively.

That just proves CoC is fine. you can self cast most spells better than in CoC. And certainly better than in mjolnir with its pathetic 30% proc rate now. Before juggernaut buff mjo costed 15c and 15ex respectively now 2ex and 45ex. The few exceptions to where CoC shines are the stacking spells - -discharge where you stack charges off volls - BF which stacks and overlaps. IMO nothing needs nerf though because at the end of the day everything is OP now. EQ one shotting all bosses, 80% of bow builds, trappers and so on.

CoC is like Flavor of the years (FOTY) but not OP. They do nerf based on popularity though.