PSA: CoC is getting rekt in 2.4.0

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

you're right that the problem with coc is discharge and the physical spells, that is for sure.

though i currently like rolling coc with other spells, things not as often used because its more interesting, it definitely is waaaaaay less effective both offensively and defensively.

That just proves CoC is fine. you can self cast most spells better than in CoC. And certainly better than in mjolnir with its pathetic 30% proc rate now. Before juggernaut buff mjo costed 15c and 15ex respectively now 2ex and 45ex. The few exceptions to where CoC shines are the stacking spells - -discharge where you stack charges off volls - BF which stacks and overlaps. IMO nothing needs nerf though because at the end of the day everything is OP now. EQ one shotting all bosses, 80% of bow builds, trappers and so on.

CoC is like Flavor of the years (FOTY) but not OP. They do nerf based on popularity though.

There's barely any complaints about it but you have to blame something like if you want complaints look as incinerate was like 10 threads every day lol

CoC is not op, it reduces the FPS, Mjolner too... It shouldnt exist in it's actual state. Too much clutter. Too laggy. Nerf proc rate/ increase the delay but add a % more to compensate. It doenst need a dps nerf, just less effects spammed.

CoC is one of the few things that game offers, that no other game does.

soo.... why not get rid of it? - that makes sense....
this should be interesting.
its been nerfed a few times already, and its still one of the funnest things to do in game.

FPS issues can be fixed by displaying fake effects.

Why does discharge have to activate down to negative 1 fps on a NASA computer just because the totem is making the mods invincible?

Why not display a fake full pretty discharge? nobody would even be able to tell the difference anyways. But alas this engine can't do it.

This is why there needs to be a POE 2. Using a more advanced engine there are so many options nowadays that use multi core and DX 12.

POE stuck with DX 9 and the nature of F2P ensures there will be no POE2 for the next 10 years minimum.

I guess if they nerf CoC chris can spin it as a game performance improvement - 'significant improvements to fps and party play'

hahaha

Seriously though,
I don't think GGG grasp some of the important 'fun' reasons some people like to play CoC builds.
Even if selfcast has numerous examples of superior clearspeed I don't usually stick with them for very long because they are boring.


CoC builds are more engaging and dont put me to sleep like self cast single spell builds do, there are some really weird but real reasons for this:

+ CoC builds exhibit a slot-machine like behavior that is satisfying when the numbers align and you get a good stream of procs.

+ Even when a CoC build has not quite hit its stride and its procrate is bad and extra streaky, it still manages to be engaging (and offers some very clear feedback the build needs further tuning)

+ Very aesthetically pleasing visual feedback and reinforcement when the build gets strong and the proc rate rng-ness hits its stride.

+ If you have more than 1 spell triggering off of CoC, the visual stimulus combined with the rng-ness of multiple spells triggering in irregular patterns adds additional visual interest and customization.

I play this game first and foremost to have fun and watch cool stuff happen onscreen without getting bored, and CoC build variants for me tend to deliver that satisfaction better than most builds.
If GGG thinks too many people play CoC, then maybe they need to work a bit harder on making the rest of it more 'fun'. Build diversity partly sucks because some of the options are boring as hell to play.

CoC is simply OP, otherwise there would be noone defending it here. Thats the best proof possible. People play whats OP, and they call it "fun".

I wonder if somebody would cry if GGG would write that they wanna nerf some crap spell that almost nobody uses. Simple psychological test, probably nobody would even notice.

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I_NO wrote:

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BlueJasminez wrote:

They should nerf those trap and mine build instead. And the famous Reach of the Council Spine Bow. CoC is good but to be able to do end game it's need a lot of item too.

Shit clear speed it's one good purpose is one thing - Uber farming that's it. If you want to be a god etc speed clearing etc, mine / trap builds are not that type it's sole purpose is for killing hard bosses.

Council is league item nobody cares.

A build with 1 ex that can do uber ( Endgame boss), What do u need more? If a 1ex build can do like a 20+ ex build then this game will turn to shit.And Councilis league item until zana had prophercy mod.

Nerf it and the legacy wep like they did my traps and wep.

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BlueJasminez wrote:

And Councilis league item until zana had prophercy mod.

that's what they said about talisman items.

I dont think the problem with discharge is coc, I think the problem with coc is discharge, the problem with mjolner is discharge, discharge is the problem and what needs sorted out.

They can destroy coc, mjolner, jugger charge gaining and outlaw all manner of charge effecting uniques to the end of time or they can just fix discharge, as in stop allowing it to work with triggers like they should have done right from the off the way they did with flameblast, tendris etc etc. Solved, now you dont need to touch anything else. But let me guess, they would rather fuck everything else up and keep discharge working with triggers right? Right....


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