[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

Can someone tell me why normal Malachi one shots me? He bypassed my enegieshield for some reason...

bah, double post

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Fr3shDee wrote:

Can someone tell me why normal Malachi one shots me? He bypassed my enegieshield for some reason...

You mean his scepter smash attack in the first part of the fight? Don't facetank that! Pretty sure I mentioned it in the boss guide. He doesn't bypass your ES, you just don't have enough ES to survive it. It's a humongous physical+fire hit, like the Shaper Slam. I don't know how much damage it does and never tried to use full mitigation against it. But one of my biggest embarrassments in PoE was getting 1-shot with 10k ES by the Merciless Malachai in Act 4, not even the Core one. /facepalm

That reminds me: I want to try eating the Malachai Smash with PoF and flasks similar to the Shaper. He can't be doing more damage than the Shaper, can he? (famous last words!)

Im actually pretty sure that his tentacle thing killed me. I did not play that many ES builds over the past years i play this game but if I die my ES remains at like 600 but the resourect screen pops up which made me think that my ES got bypassed. I'd like 1k ES and I cant remember being one shot by normal malachi...

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Fr3shDee wrote:

Can someone tell me why normal Malachi one shots me? He bypassed my enegieshield for some reason...

You mean his scepter smash attack in the first part of the fight? Don't facetank that! Pretty sure I mentioned it in the boss guide. He doesn't bypass your ES, you just don't have enough ES to survive it. It's a humongous physical+fire hit, like the Shaper Slam. I don't know how much damage it does and never tried to use full mitigation against it. But one of my biggest embarrassments in PoE was getting 1-shot with 10k ES by the Merciless Malachai in Act 4, not even the Core one. /facepalm

That reminds me: I want to try eating the Malachai Smash with PoF and flasks similar to the Shaper. He can't be doing more damage than the Shaper, can he? (famous last words!)

K turns out that im a complete retard and used a caustic mana flask from level 30 onwards...

Gah, this build is really sweet but I blew a lot of currency to only get half of what I need. Let me know what I should work on next. Should I prioritize Int or ES? Here's my gear:

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm sitting at around 4.5k ES and 1,108 Int at level 73. and I have this helm, but need Vorici's.

i swapped out diedres for a topaz ring today and only rocked enfeeble + warlords..

seemed fine tbh. didn't really notice too big of a difference.

anyone else try dropping temporal chains?

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Tacomang wrote:

Gah, this build is really sweet but I blew a lot of currency to only get half of what I need. Let me know what I should work on next. Should I prioritize Int or ES? Here's my gear:

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm sitting at around 4.5k ES and 1,108 Int at level 73. and I have this helm, but need Vorici's.

you really need more ES, but that doesnt mean it would be a good idea to skip int for mroe ES on your gear. dont do that!

you should be able to get a chest with 600+ es and 40+ int for 1-5 chaos. make sure you can self-craft one res on it. that should be your first priority. then, you can start using the black sun, which buffs your int and thus both damage and ES. after that, I would try to to buy a better belt. that should provide a big upgrade over your current belt. afterwards, you can finally start working on your gloves and boots.

some poetrade links:
http://poe.trade/search/iurikiroitamom
http://poe.trade/search/asahumomaozare

in the long run, you want to buy a crystal belt and a shrieking essence of spite to try to get a belt with massive ES and int.

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wimpy_tuna wrote:

i swapped out diedres for a topaz ring today and only rocked enfeeble + warlords..

seemed fine tbh. didn't really notice too big of a difference.

anyone else try dropping temporal chains?

you absolutely dont need the 3rd curse for ordinary mapping unless its a very high map (say t12++) with deadly mods. but for the endgame content (t14+ bosses, guardians, shaper, deadly high maps), it makes a world of a difference. when facetanking a high boss, temp chains reduces the incoming damage by around 30%, so it makes it thaaat much easier to facetank the damage. and if you cant facetank, it makes it that much easier to dodge telegraphed oneshot-moves.

why do you guys suppress ignite with a 49% more modifier when ignite is a 80% more?.
i played fire through out my poe life and i just can't suppress the ignite; it makes no sense.
duration is also a more multiplier.

anyway, i 'll end up with 6 jewels, 750 int after staff and helm(from the tree), 5.8% regen, 12k armor with granite up + another 26% flat phys reduction from basalt, i leap slam fortify with 90% increased attack speed, 3 frenzy(can get 1 more).
i have 3.5k without buffs and 6.2k with buffs(both with conc, echo/faster casting/controlled destruction/cold to fire/inc. duration on staff) at 900 int on char screen(7k es).

the problem i have for now is -max + reflect mobs while my icestorm hits less than 3 targets; i just melt and have to log out.
i think i can fix it with purity(i don't use arctic armor)+ ruby flask + better fortify skills but i'm pretty lazy.

Edit: tree with VP by 90 it can get 8 jewels(+1more later); at that point one starts thinking about grand spectrum. :)

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kreca73 wrote:

why do you guys suppress ignite with a 49% more modifier when ignite is a 80% more?.
i played fire through out my poe life and i just can't suppress the ignite; it makes no sense.
duration is also a more multiplier.

anyway, i 'll end up with

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAECAL8IJDenbeDY-F9f0CGQ6hB7jCUnXUlnm64-xq4MXxynU6U8LYNfg8wLYa9saPK3PkGH-eiCxx2-M4cD7py-DR88KCj6V8kNfOq6uJMc3I8a6-6nCJ2uGmzkItWm2CRWSHyDES0snI9Gm6EYangvfOVYB_fXhEhca8NtHRSvjfrSZp63MYx2cg-Ub2ZUtAzK076KoS-TJ3_GoqPB85UgLR8dTzW5pytMs0V-Dlxq-tAf7-uXlVJTPV9RdI7pppnBxewYLL8V14auVmOP-tDQRwbb52wI8YoRlg5ItzDoWiaIXfIrChEv98FfavDVSVE=

6 jewels, 750 int after staff and helm(from the tree), 5.8% regen, 12k armor with granite up + another 26% flat phys reduction from basalt, i leap slam fortify with 90% increased attack speed, 3 frenzy(can get 1 more).
i have 3.5k without buffs and 6.2k with buffs(both with conc, echo/faster casting/controlled destruction/cold to fire/inc. duration on staff) at 900 int on char screen(7k es).

the problem i have for now is -max + reflect mobs while my icestorm hits less than 3 targets; i just melt and have to log out.
i think i can fix it with purity(i don't use arctic armor)+ ruby flask + better fortify skills but i'm pretty lazy.

Edit: tree with VP

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAECAHuMJSddSWebrj7Grjwtg18LYa9saPKDzLc-QYf56Jy-DR88KILHHb4zhwPuKPq4k1fJDXzqurQMHNyPGuvupwjYJFZIfIMRLSycj0YdFK-N-tJmnrcxjHZyD5RvZlSboRhqeC985VgH99eESFxrw23K076KoS-TJ3_GoqNRdI7pppnB85UgLR8dTzW5pytMs5eVUlM9X0V-Dlxq-tAf7-vBxewYLL8V14auj_pWY_DVSVHQ0EcG2-dsCPGKtMXC7AW16NbrFCLqwzoqOJu1hMXndNsaEHu-Og==

by 90 it can get 8 jewels(+1more later); at that point one starts thinking about grand spectrum. :)

ignite is just not suited for skills that apply many small hits like icestorm or firestorm. when I facetank a boss and stack icestorms on him, he is hit by something like 20 to 30 ice shards per second. even if double dipping was increasing burn damage by a factor of 10, it wouldnt make that much of a difference.

using burn necessarily means skipping strong support gems (ele focus) and losing int/conventional damage from the tree. fully buffed you reach an average damage of 6.2k. and thats with frenzy charges that you wont be able to sustain in prolonged boss fights. fully buffed, I have around 13k avg hit damage.

so assuming 20 iceshards per second, my damage to a boss is at the very least 20*13k = 260k, not accounting for penetration and some other stuff.

with full frenzy charges and a burn that has double dipping by a factor of 10, you arrive at (20+10)*6.2k = 186k. and thats only if you can sustain your frenzy charges.

also, lets not forget that inc duration is NOT a multiplicative damage modifier for burn damage; not with a spell that hits as frequently and thus re-applies burn as frequently as icestorm. ofc, sacrificing gems and passives (and thus int) for burn also means that you have less ES, less mana and less icestorm duration.

simply put: burn is awesome with strong one-time-hit skills like flameblast or (fire-converted) vortex. it also is inherently stronger on crit builds. so if there's any build that is disadvantageous to burn, its WI.