Making Currency in Softcore

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databeaver wrote:

I just don't understand the pricing of items on poe.trade. Why is this worth 1 ex:

Spoiler

Fate Sole Shagreen Boots 2 months ago
Level: 55 Dexterity: 97 ilvl: 77
+84 to maximum Life P1
8% increased Rarity of Items found??
+17% to Fire Resistance S7
+13% to Cold Resistance S7
+25% to Lightning Resistance S5

It isn't. He listed it for 1ex, but no one's gonna buy that. Maybe for 1c.

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databeaver wrote:

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Logikkus wrote:

- All the rare Gloves/Boots/Helms with 2 or 3 Resists and Life (and 25% movement speed for Boots), I put up in my shop for 15-20 Chaos. Eventually some of them sell. You have nothing to lose. I've noticed that they sell MUCH faster when they are fully socketed and linked, with 20% quality.

I assume they also have to be of a decent base type and at least one resist roll has to be high tier? If you spend currency on raising quality and 4-linking it, then you do have something to lose. Finding a 4-linked rare with good resist and life rolls is insanely improbable.

These items are usually way below ilvl 84. My rule of thumb is : if 2 resists add up to 60, or 3 resists add up to 90, and the life roll is 55+, it's good enough to go in the shop. I figure if I spend a few Alchs or Alts to master craft an extra resist or some life, the item will show up in more search results on poe.trade, and will make a good item for players who are beginning maps and trying to get as much life as possible in a decent budget. I have very few GG armour pieces in my shop. Most of them I guess are bought by players who use them temporarily in order to map with capped resists and decent life bonus, while waiting to get enough currency to get high end items. I'm capitalizing on the fact that at some point when you level up, you need max resists and as much life as possible (and 25%+ movement speed on your boots). There's just so much you can do with Wanderlust and Goldrim.

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databeaver wrote:

I just don't understand the pricing of items on poe.trade.
Do some people just have a terribly over-inflated opinion of the value of their items or is there something I'm not seeing here?

Prices are all over the place, indeed. I won't speculate on all the causes of these variations, but if you do searches often, you'll notice that these overpriced items don't disappear off the poe.trade shelves very fast. I prefer to underprice a bit and sell.

In Standard, if you have a piece of gear with decent Life and Resists AND a decent IIR roll, price it carefully, it can be worth gold.

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databeaver wrote:

What about white 5L items or 4L gloves/boots/helms with high ilvl? Are those worth selling for crafting bases or do people rather buy an item with good stats and craft the sockets?

Mmm... High ilvl like 84 or more ?
If they don't already have nice stats, I skip over them. I know that some players sell loads of high level uncrafted bases (someone told me that every single ilvl 83 or 84 item he finds is 1 Chaos in his pockets), but I have never really investigated that part of the market. Just to give you an example, I have a bunch of really good ilvl 100 bases now because of the "Destined to Crumble" Divination card, and I really don't know what to do with them. Craft or sell ? They are stored in a stash tab until I decide of their fate.

Here's my rule of thumb for 5L items in Standard :
- 6S armour ? Sell for Jewellers.
- 5S5L armour ? Spend 4 Scraps to bring it to 20 quality and Alch. If the defensive stats are nice for a leveling player, and if there's 1 decent life roll or resist, it goes in my shop in a fixed price 5 Chaos tab.
- 5L Weapon ? They usually don't sell, EXCEPT for 5L Harbinger and Maraketh bows. I use 4 Whetstones and an Alch to give them a nice "polish" and put them up for 5 Chaos.
- Other 5L weapons ? I don't have any success in selling them so I vendor them.

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databeaver wrote:

I'm also curious about how much time did you spend for trading per day? Posting your rates while doing other things sounds pretty dedicated. It also sounds pretty disruptive if you want to actually play, but then again I guess the point was to not play and instead make currency.

When I decided to learn the market and to trade Alts agressively, I spent most of my time in my hideout trading and chatting with new and returning customers, learning about their builds, why they needed Alts in bulk, etc. I sold mostly Alts, low level gems, Vaal Haste gems and rares.
After I got to a "fortune" of roughly 60 Exalts, I decided to review my trading habits to spend more time playing the game (what are Exalts good for if it's not to buy stuff to play after all ?). So I recycled an old Scion into a really good MF characters using the legacy Item Quantity gem and a 6L Greed's Embrace (her stats are now roughly 105% IIQ / 400% IIR), and now, when I want to fill up my shop with decent uniques and abuse the Chaos recipe I watch a few movies while running low tier maps.
Orb trading was really profitable AND really time consuming. I don't do it anymore, because I can afford not to do it. But I'm really happy I spent a few months concentrating on it.
As for pricing individual items, I don't spend much time on it. Rares like I've described are priced 10, 15, 20 or 25 Chaos. Really good ones are 25, good ones are 15, when they don't sell I reduce their price. I keep several fixed price stash tabs so I just switch the items from one to the other to adjust their prices from time to time. For that Acquisition is nice because you see how long your items have been in your shop.

At the moment, I spend most of my time leveling my characters towards 100 or running maps with my MF character. To avoid spending too much time on 1C sales I vendor everything that cannot be sold for at least 3 Chaos. I removed the lower priced tabs of my shop. The result is that I run more maps, hence find more high value items, which sell for more than 3 Chaos.

This video by Yoji and Zizaran has also been very helpful to alter my relationship with currency and mapping. I highly recommend it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex5uAzRk00I

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Logikkus wrote:

These items are usually way below ilvl 84. My rule of thumb is : if 2 resists add up to 60, or 3 resists add up to 90, and the life roll is 55+, it's good enough to go in the shop. I figure if I spend a few Alchs or Alts to master craft an extra resist or some life, the item will show up in more search results on poe.trade, and will make a good item for players who are beginning maps and trying to get as much life as possible in a decent budget.

Thanks, I'll try to inspect my drops more carefully and see if I can find anything sellable. What about high rolls for +AR/Eva/ES? Or are resists and life important enough that people will ignore items that don't have them? With a couple triple-resist items I bet I could drop resists altogether from some other pieces.

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Logikkus wrote:

I have very few GG armour pieces in my shop.

Possibly a noob question, but what's GG?

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Logikkus wrote:

Mmm... High ilvl like 84 or more ?

More like ilvl 75 or more. The highest ilvl I currently have sort of reliable access to is 78. I guess that confirms my suspicions that they're not worth much then, given that putting such items up for 1 fusing has only resulted in a handful of sales over two months.

What about white bases for valuable uniques? On one occasion someone was looking to buy around 60 Sorcerer Boots. I only had three so he declined to buy them. Later someone else bought the three and mentioned that he's going to chance them all. I assume they were trying to get a Skyforth. Would things like Occultist's Vestment and Spine Bow be similarly sellable in large amounts?

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Logikkus wrote:

At the moment, I spend most of my time leveling my characters towards 100 or running maps with my MF character. To avoid spending too much time on 1C sales I vendor everything that cannot be sold for at least 3 Chaos. I removed the lower priced tabs of my shop. The result is that I run more maps, hence find more high value items, which sell for more than 3 Chaos.

I'm not sure if I've managed to sell anything for more than 1 chaos yet. There might have been one or two items I've sold for 2 chaos. Overall I've made maybe a dozen sales in about two months, so either I only find bad items or I don't know how to pick the good ones for selling.

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databeaver wrote:

What about high rolls for +AR/Eva/ES? Or are resists and life important enough that people will ignore items that don't have them? With a couple triple-resist items I bet I could drop resists altogether from some other pieces.

Exactly, Resists and Life are more sought after than simply a high defensive roll, unless you have a really really high roll (like a rare chest with 2000 armour or 650+ ES and 5 sockets)...

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databeaver wrote:

What's GG?

GG stands for "Good game", but it's the words we sometimes use to refer to OMG-OMG-I-would-totally-sell-my-soul-and-wife-and-firstborn-for-this items.

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databeaver wrote:

More like ilvl 75 or more.

Indeed, theses bases are not worth anything. Vendor them using the chaos recipe if you have a lot. They're worth something only if the items already have good resists and life.

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databeaver wrote:

What about white bases for valuable uniques?

Chance them on the spot and leave them on the ground if you don't get what you want. I use Neversink's MF Loot Filter, and I chance every Occultist's Vestment (for Shav), Sorcerer boots (for Skyforth), Judgment staff (for Pledge) and Desert Brigandine (for Coil). I always map with a stack of Chance Orbs in my inventory. I haven't chanced any unique so far, but if I do at least it will be something valuable that I can sell for $$$, craft or use myself.

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databeaver wrote:

I'm not sure if I've managed to sell anything for more than 1 chaos yet. There might have been one or two items I've sold for 2 chaos. Overall I've made maybe a dozen sales in about two months, so either I only find bad items or I don't know how to pick the good ones for selling.

Knowing the market and what items people need is the key. Having 25 6L Shavs in your shop doesnt give you anything if no one buys them.

I suggest you level a new character to Act 3 Normal and leave him there, so you can always use him to buy lvl 1 Haste gems (make sure it's a class that can buy Haste!). Use all you Vaal Orbs on Haste gems. Every Vaal Haste you get is 10 Chaos in your pockets. Don't accept anything less than 10 chaos for them.

few tips from a standard-only (well, almost) player who in general dislikes trading but managed to get himself a really nice bank:

first: do not try to compete with Big Sharks. leave the shaddy stuff to them, betting on legacy items etc is not for you. forget about it. just assume that you are competing with people that KNOW a lot more than you. ignore this part of the market.



- if you are not SURE that item will sell, do not bother. standard is saturated. always look at the item as if YOU were buying it. if it doesnt look good - do not bother. other people wont like it either (this applies to gloves/boots/body armors/helmets. shields/jewelry are a different bunch)
- setup YOUR own filter. the pre-made filters are ok (however i consider them flashy information overloads instead of 'filters'). understand what items are not worth picking up no matter what - and HIDE them, not make them small or grey or whatever. HIDE them. your eyes and brain will thank you for that. stuff you want to pick - make it bigger (Easier to click). use sounds SPARINGLY.
- setup a stash tab for regal recipe. i use lots of regals (maps, jewels) and if you hit a good regal on an already nice jewel - it will sell quickly.

- UNDERCUT for the lesser stuff. you have a belt you think is worth 5c? sell it for 2 or 1. move the stuff, not collect it.
- learn what weapon types wont sell no matter what (due to there being a good unique available for cheap - DoomSower, Primacy, Bino's). and do not bother with them. these 'guaranteed' uniques are available for cheap (1-20c) and noone will buy your slightly worse rare to save 10c if he can get the real deal for 20.
- do builds that most people do not understand how to build. you can buy top-tier items for life/ES/EV hybrid builds (chests and shields) for PEANUTS. sometime 'the general populace' will understand the power of hybrids - then youll have the gear to sell.

- if you find an item looking interesting take your time to check entire item family. learn what it can roll and what is impossible (esp important for ES items - what +ES and +%ES are possible on gloves/boots/chests etc). at first it might be daunting but youll quickly catch up with the market and understand immediately what is trash and what isnt

- if you are after the money do not spend your current currency foolishly. keep the investments to minimum. you can even run Tier 1-6 maps white for a while. these transmutes/alts/augs do add up after several maps.

- if you want to sell uniques: check the roll ranges. perfect rolls can sell for a lot (ive sold perfect Greeds Embrace for 4ex i think, while normal ones sell for ~5c?). undercut. item is worthless unless sold so it is better to 'loose' 1c when undercutting then loose entire sale because you were a bit to greedy
- treat meta items with care. there are lots of scumbags manipulating prices (listing low but not selling). if you find a Shavs or Voltaxic, list it judging by poe.trade prices and get 5 whispers in first 2 minutes - you know you are being scammed. back off, relist for higher price.

stuff that always sells, no matter what:
- sacrifice pieces
- vaal meta gems (haste, spark, discipline) - do not be afraid to list even the leveled ones
- well rolled flasks (however in most cases rolling a flask can be very expensive so do not treat it as an investment)
- jewels with +life
- some meta uniques (like static electricity)
- 200+ ES boots with pretty much any rolls


my strategy - put an item into the store for already low price, if it doesnt sell after a week, reprice and then vendor (recipe if possible, i burn my regal stocks..)

final note: i run ALL my fragments with a MF character. sell midnights and meta vaal gems, re-run other fragments and turn vaal gems into vaal orbs. it is a very quick thing (~1min per fragment) and is relaxing and perfectly safe. it prints alt/alch orbs.. (and ive got shavs out of it)

the most important bit of info: do not count on getting lucky and dropping that Mirror or what not. POE's wealth is build in small steps.

ofc you can get lucky but really this doesnt happen daily:



NOTE: the 2ex boots from some posts ago: these were listed when the league was young and these prices were OK back then. i bet the seller forgot about these boots and would vendor them immediately when told about them.

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sidtherat wrote:

Really long comment about selling tips.

These are all real good tips. I've used the Vaal Fragment farming in Perandus and it helped a lot to make loads of quick currency at the beginning of the league.

And this Voll's Devotion is crazy good. :)

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Logikkus wrote:

GG stands for "Good game", but it's the words we sometimes use to refer to OMG-OMG-I-would-totally-sell-my-soul-and-wife-and-firstborn-for-this items.

Okay, I actually knew that meaning when used at the end of a multiplayer match, but it didn't seem applicable here so I thought it might mean something else.

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Logikkus wrote:

Indeed, theses bases are not worth anything. Vendor them using the chaos recipe if you have a lot. They're worth something only if the items already have good resists and life.

Well they're white items so not useful for chaos recipe either. I do use the chaos and regal recipes at every opportunity; mostly this means putting away every rare ring and amulet I find and acquiring the other items when I have two rings and an amulet.

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databeaver wrote:

Knowing the market and what items people need is the key. Having 25 6L Shavs in your shop doesnt give you anything if no one buys them.

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sidtherat wrote:

- if you are not SURE that item will sell, do not bother. standard is saturated. always look at the item as if YOU were buying it. if it doesnt look good - do not bother. other people wont like it either (this applies to gloves/boots/body armors/helmets. shields/jewelry are a different bunch)

In my case there's the additional hurdle that I play mostly self-found and with self-made builds. I say "mostly" because I'm willing to sell items for additional orbs to be used as crafting supplies, but I won't ever buy items. As such the question of whether I would buy a particular item is foreign to me and I have to spend extra effort learning what will sell and what will not. Don't take this as a complaint - I accept the limitations of my chosen playstyle. I appreciate the tips you've given me and will try to make use of them.

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Logikkus wrote:

I suggest you level a new character to Act 3 Normal and leave him there, so you can always use him to buy lvl 1 Haste gems (make sure it's a class that can buy Haste!). Use all you Vaal Orbs on Haste gems. Every Vaal Haste you get is 10 Chaos in your pockets. Don't accept anything less than 10 chaos for them.

The other stuff that you said is ok but that is horrible advice. Say Vaal Orbs are 1.5 Chaos you would have to make at least 1 in 6 Vaal Hastes to turn a profit which simpy isn't the case. Rather keep your vaals for something worthwhile. Eye of Chayula, 20/20 gems and the like.

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flier66666 wrote:

I've been playing POE for almost 2 years now, and I've still not learned a good way to make currency. I've tried flipping drillnecks, running high tier maps, chaos recipes, and even playing in hardcore. None of the ways have worked out all that well, mainly playing in hardcore. My computer isn't very good and when I'm leveling I tend to die from frame drops and not being able to react in time because of it. I've even tried running atziri, but with terrible frames and the lack of currency to make a better build for it, I've not found much success.

What I'm trying to get at is: Is there a way to make currency that would be possible for someone who can't play in hardcore, or do atziri?

I know that a lot of people have secret ways of getting currency and certain items to flip and that they want to keep them a secret so that they can continue doing it that way, but if you're willing to give some tips and pointers to me then I will be truly grateful.

If you don't want to have your secret ways of making currency be out in the open, but you're willing to share them with me, I'll keep those ways to myself and not make them public.

-Thank you for your feedback and time.

if you want to do normal atziri with no mechanics you can do it for 20c bladefall miner is the way it 1 shots therefor you dont need to dodge anything ( it really does played it till i lost him in lab)
google chris null atziri

if you want realxing nondieing gameplayfor maps turn off sound and play discharge guardian solokills t15 core and dual abyss
google guardian dual t15

if i would play standard i would have made a fortune with flipping orbs into coins into valuable league onlys and die them off from hc would have been a wealth loop

GG also means Godly Gear :P