Transgender Bathrooms... Targets getting boycotted. (Your Opinions?)

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SkyCore wrote:

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Head_Less wrote:

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as a girl, if I see a penis in my public bathroom I use pepper spray. Don t care if there is boobs on top, penis is all that matter.

If trans is operated then no problem.

Don t want my baby girl to see penis around.

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What is so wrong about penis? Or naked bodies in general?

I'm with Dr Manhattan on this subject (watch the watchmen movie). Cultural mores (and laws) which persecute those whom have done no harm have no place in an enlightened civilization.

If you think someones naked body is hurting you or your children, you seriously need to rethink your values.

I don't get it, don't the stalls in the public restrooms where you live have doors you close before doing your business? Would anyone ever have to see anything?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Nothing anyone says or does on this issue will have anything more than symbolic meaning.

Target CEO Brian Cornell: "We took a stance and we are going to continue to embrace our belief of diversity and inclusion."

Looks like the whole point of the policy is to be a symbolic one.

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Ultimately, access to goods will outweigh moral outrage for many consumers, says Larry Chiagouris, a professor of marketing at Pace University’s Lubin School of Business in New York.

"The boycott is not going to last very long," Chiagouris told Business Insider. "There is a big difference between signing a petition compared to not taking advantage of a big sale at target. People will always take advantage of the sale."

This made me chuckle for some reason.

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Bars wrote:

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

I think we should desegregate society in terms of gender generally, not just bathrooms but sports and everywhere else as well. For example I think it's terrible we tell our young women no matter how good you get you'll never be able to play in the NBA because of your gender.

I'd love to see a time when gender segregation is a relic of the past.

I assure you sports coaches don't give a fuck about gender. If women could compete with men, they would. The fact of the matter is, they can't. Men are superior athletes, plain and simple. This has been proven time and again in every sport you can think of. It applies even to chess and video games, by the way.

Are there women who are better than most men? Certainly. Can they compete with the best men? Nope. The division between men and women in sports isn't here to discriminate against women, it's to protect them from competing against men which would be a complete mismatch. On the other hand, no one is stopping women from competing against men - they simply can't.

While it's true men having more testosterone and, if I remember, also have something that gives them more blood oxygen, something to that effect, you're only talking about the sports that are at the limits of human capability - marathon, pure strength exercises etc - things that even if they weren't segregated would self segregate in the standings so whether those sports were segregated or not wouldn't effect the outcome in that context. Obviously rankings would be divided into the top male and female in those specific contexts but it would be more inclusive imo to run those events male and female simultaneously similar to how endurance road races are run with multiple classes at the same time. The idea being better inclusion, the idea of 'this is the competition; not this is 'the women's competition' and this is 'the 'real' competition', the men's.

In team sports the distinction is much less pronounced, take co-ed crossfit as an example. A lot of the limitations are more against social conventions in k-12 - men being conditioned not to be as aggressive with women or it not being acceptable for women to be as aggressive as they could be. Once you get to the professional level in sports the distinction in sex becomes much more systemic. Take the WNBA or women's professional soccer, they can't give anywhere near the pay the men get because the interest isn't there. They work just as hard and in many instances are better than male counterparts but can't compete in terms of their market value.

Then that lack of interest trickles down from the field into the front office of the teams. The GM's and coaching staff can't get paid as much so they have a strong incentive if they are really good to go into the male version of the sport. This produces an unfair advantage for male sports.

Anyway, just because the idea that men must be this or women can never be that are commonly accepted doesn't make it true. (and yes I get that this idea is reeeally progressive to a lot of people)

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

Anyway, just because the idea that men must be this or women can never be that are commonly accepted doesn't make it true. (and yes I get that this idea is reeeally progressive to a lot of people)

It's not an idea. It's simple statistics from every sport with a measurable performance ever.

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Bars wrote:

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

Anyway, just because the idea that men must be this or women can never be that are commonly accepted doesn't make it true. (and yes I get that this idea is reeeally progressive to a lot of people)

It's not an idea. It's simple statistics from every sport with a measurable performance ever.

Please reread my post. I'm not arguing men and women are literally physically equal.

Based off my experience (which includes years of morning exercise/sports in a co-ed unit in the US Army) is that, while the best men clearly outclassed the best women, the best women clearly outclassed at least half of the men. Being male was an edge, but not an overwhelming one.

From a perspective of professional sports, I can see where Bars is coming from, but at the same time I feel it's hugely destructive to informal, intramural sports (on a social level) to segregate by gender; it's something which makes good sense at the top levels and makes shit sense at the amateur level. Unfortunately, there's a strong tendancy to emulate the practices of professional sports, so this type of segregation tends to be applied in situations it shouldn't.

I'd really like to see more integration in school sports. I'm not sure about high school level, but middle school sports segregation by gender really rubs me the wrong way.

It would be an interesting experiment to integrate professional sports because a league would change to having both the best men and women of a sport meaning the market will determine the value of the women based on their athletic ability not their gender or how much people give a shit about whatever women's sport at that moment (although until it becomes the social norm there will probably be some 'gender bias coefficient' if you will).

I imagine men and women's leagues would turn into a single major league where the best men and women in the nation or world play and a sub minor league where the next best men and women play. It might actually make sports more competitive while promoting market value gender equality.

Well, I'm speaking purely about high-level professional sports of course. About amateur sports, everything I've dabbled in has been rather democratic. Any girl at school who wanted it could play football (soccer for the Americans) and basketball with us. Some girls were pretty good at basketball, they tended to suck at football. Everything was mixed-gender in the several martial arts I've practiced but, honestly, women were at such a severe disadvantage they were disruptive to sparring as we didn't *really* spar with them, we were mostly trying not to hurt them.

This transgender restroom thing is seriously the silliest thing people have argued about in a long time. And that is saying something. Are the stupid idiots bored or what?

Do people in the 21st century seriously think transgenders are dangerous!??!?!?