Hierophant's mini-Mind over Matter mechanics

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Vipermagi wrote:

You don't need a large investment in Evasion to get good ratings

Sure, I meant going a cut above the 'slap on grace and enjoy the ride', and sometimes there's no room for even that. Might be that 'good enough' mentality we mentioned, thinking of new and interesting ways to kill stuff is more fun than layering defense so we tend to take only the necessary amount, and a good armor char is quite tanky enough even without grace.

And I think there's another factor to consider. A char that is dedicated to make some advanced form of defense work will normally use some sure shot offense method, and a char that tries to be creative with his offense has no room left to be creative with his defense too.

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Vipermagi wrote:

You don't need a large investment in Evasion to get good ratings, for two reasons:
1. Grace is a thing that is wonderfully amazing
2. Dex grants Increased Evasion

But then I can't use Hatred + HoI for dps, auto cursing and power charge generation :(

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sidtherat wrote:

but nothing hits for that much so it is largely irrelevant (stuff that does hit you you avoid or res-flask trough). what makes hybrid' buffer larger is flasks. CI doesnt have flasks. life has them. and while the first half of the buffer can be gone you are still at 4-5-6k life you can heal via flasks. not to mention that we are talking about crazy gear levels. my templar im testung this on has random garbage gear..

it is true that you have no uniformity - half of the buffer is harder to replenish than the other one and chaos damage can be a problem - but when built right it really works

12k max ES Ci bursted down to 600ES and stunned when casting vaal discipline is pretty much dead. hybrid build pots to full life, escapes, regens and is good to go. it is more down to a playstyle than raw numbers

not that long ago people were claiming ev/es builds are dumpster class. guess they were talking without even testing themselves

In a world where stun immunity and leech does not exist then yeah, CI would be dead. And an attack that would burst a 12K CI to 600 ES would kill your 9K hybrid.

EV/ES builds have to compete with Acrobatics. If those 5 points give you more survival chances than your ES then you wont get the ES and just go Acro. Trickster gives great bonuses that makes that decision harder, that's why EV/ES are more interesting now. To build around defensive layers first you have to understand how they interact with each other so you don't end up wasting points. That's why you don't go hybrid with MoM, since you are wasting your defensive layer 50% of the time while the other 50% it works badly.

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Vipermagi wrote:

I would say ~40% Chance to Evade is quite "good enough" if you also have Armour, yes? :p Evasion has such harsh diminishing returns that you cannot go for more than "good enough" if you want to combine it with anything, in my experience. Maybe stupid-godly gear could do it? I wouldn't know about that.

Not only does Eva have huge diminishing returns, but it's highly effective on small amounts. Assuming 600 accuracy on mobs, just 3k evasion gives 25% chance to evade.

If you think about mitigation per point of evasion, the first 2k evasion is almost twice as efficient as the next 6k (up to 8k eva). Evasion actually outpaces armour, point-for-point, against 1k hits until about 5k of either. Incidentally, evasion outpaces armour for longer the larger the hit you're expecting (since % to evade is independent of damage), so Grace might be better than Determination for high-armour builds.

On the other hand, if you already have a bit of eva, investing into BLIND is very very good! Just having grace and 100% increased eva gives 5k eva, or ~33% chance to evade. Using blind cuts your chance to be hit by half, so you have 67% chance to evade. That's equivalent to having 30k evasion, so just by running blind and a teensy bit of eva, it's like you're getting 25k free eva. If you have 10k eva, blind gives you the equivalent of an ADDITIONAL 250k EVA.

Turns out blind is preeetty good!

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As far as this topic goes, I think MoM without EB is a bit of a waste. For a non-EB MoM build, reserving mana is just too costly, and if you're not reserving any mana that means you're not using any defensive auras. EB MoM can go Enfeeble, Discipline, Arctic Armour and focus solely on ES. Besides which, ES is far easier to stack than mana is. It's not hard to get 4k ES, if you try for it. It is hard to get 4k mana, even if you try for it.