Strongest Fire Trap Setup

I would since im not doing crit build and just trying to maximize the burning ground effect, which controlled destruction fits perfectly well on what i'm trying to do. If you are building crit trap, you'd use something like fire trap - conc effect - trap and mine damage - increase crit multiplier/chance/increase burning damage.

Does the Crit Multi gem scale the burning ground DOT?

The wiki says " Trap, fire, and elemental damage passives will increase the damage of both the initial explosion and the damage over time. Burning damage passives will only increase the DoT. Spell damage passives will only increase the initial damage."

So I'm assuming no

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Trentemoller wrote:

Does the Crit Multi gem scale the burning ground DOT?

The wiki says " Trap, fire, and elemental damage passives will increase the damage of both the initial explosion and the damage over time. Burning damage passives will only increase the DoT. Spell damage passives will only increase the initial damage."

So I'm assuming no

It only benefits the initial hit (so your DoT becomes stronger), but it doesn't apply to DoT a second time.

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PaperRat wrote:

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Trentemoller wrote:

Does the Crit Multi gem scale the burning ground DOT?

The wiki says " Trap, fire, and elemental damage passives will increase the damage of both the initial explosion and the damage over time. Burning damage passives will only increase the DoT. Spell damage passives will only increase the initial damage."

So I'm assuming no

It only benefits the initial hit (so your DoT becomes stronger), but it doesn't apply to DoT a second time.

Darn, back to the drawing board. What's the best 4link for crit Fire Trap single target, in your opinion? This is using Elementalist prolif

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Trentemoller wrote:

Darn, back to the drawing board. What's the best 4link for crit Fire Trap single target, in your opinion? This is using Elementalist prolif

I used Fire Trap - Trap and Mine Damage - Fire Pen - Inc Crit Chance - Inc AoE - Ele Prolif, you can skip the last two, since you get prolif from Elementalist. If you pick up Increased AoE from tree/items (or get a 5-link), then it'll become a tremendous AoE setup as well :).

IMO, you don't need to do anything special for single target, since on crit you'll kill most things in one go anyway.

The proliferation from witch/elementalist is only 9m. is this enough to have a benefit at all?

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tobiazl wrote:

The proliferation from witch/elementalist is only 9m. is this enough to have a benefit at all?

I'm an elementalist trapper, it feels very underwhelming. Almost nobody in the top 50 plays Elementalist, I think it's just an underpowered class. You're probably better off going Saboteur or Assassin (I wish I did)

That's not to say it's awful. Conflux is great (shock/ignite/freeze with all damage). But yeah the prolif is meh

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Trentemoller wrote:

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tobiazl wrote:

The proliferation from witch/elementalist is only 9m. is this enough to have a benefit at all?

I'm an elementalist trapper, it feels very underwhelming. Almost nobody in the top 50 plays Elementalist, I think it's just an underpowered class. You're probably better off going Saboteur or Assassin (I wish I did)

That's not to say it's awful. Conflux is great (shock/ignite/freeze with all damage). But yeah the prolif is meh

Although damn, might have to reconsider my opinion on this business.

https://www.pathofexile.com/ascendancy/classes/Elementalist

I was originally going to spend my last 2 Ascendency points on Pendulum of Destruction for the 40% effective damage buff, but realized it's a much better idea to grab Liege of the Primordial instead and run a Flame Golem. Level 19 Flame Golem with Liege of the Primordial means 40% increased damage from the golem, plus another 40% increased damage from the Ascendency effect. Two ascendency points for 80% increased Fire Trap damage is not bad at all!! And I'll get to play around with a 4-link Flame Golem setup. Culling Strike - Item Rarity is nice MF utility, or maybe just Minion Speed + Life, or GMP + Blind + Projectile Speed... so many options

Maybe Elementalist is not so underpowered for pure-element builds after all

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Although damn, might have to reconsider my opinion on this business.

https://www.pathofexile.com/ascendancy/classes/Elementalist

I was originally going to spend my last 2 Ascendency points on Pendulum of Destruction for the 40% effective damage buff, but realized it's a much better idea to grab Liege of the Primordial instead and run a Flame Golem. Level 19 Flame Golem with Liege of the Primordial means 40% increased damage from the golem, plus another 40% increased damage from the Ascendency effect. Two ascendency points for 80% increased Fire Trap damage is not bad at all!! And I'll get to play around with a 4-link Flame Golem setup. Culling Strike - Item Rarity is nice MF utility, or maybe just Minion Speed + Life, or GMP + Blind + Projectile Speed... so many options

Maybe Elementalist is not so underpowered for pure-element builds after all

I agree with the fire golem. Thats really good.
But how the beat the packs as elementalis? With cluster trap and sunblast and 2 -1ß% trigger jewels? Or you play without cluster/multitrap and use only the 9m proliferstion (supportet from aoe radius skills)
I have the feeling that the overlapping from 3-4 cluster is higher then the single trap with proliferation?

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tobiazl wrote:

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Although damn, might have to reconsider my opinion on this business.

https://www.pathofexile.com/ascendancy/classes/Elementalist

I was originally going to spend my last 2 Ascendency points on Pendulum of Destruction for the 40% effective damage buff, but realized it's a much better idea to grab Liege of the Primordial instead and run a Flame Golem. Level 19 Flame Golem with Liege of the Primordial means 40% increased damage from the golem, plus another 40% increased damage from the Ascendency effect. Two ascendency points for 80% increased Fire Trap damage is not bad at all!! And I'll get to play around with a 4-link Flame Golem setup. Culling Strike - Item Rarity is nice MF utility, or maybe just Minion Speed + Life, or GMP + Blind + Projectile Speed... so many options

Maybe Elementalist is not so underpowered for pure-element builds after all

I agree with the fire golem. Thats really good.
But how the beat the packs as elementalis? With cluster trap and sunblast and 2 -1ß% trigger jewels? Or you play without cluster/multitrap and use only the 9m proliferstion (supportet from aoe radius skills)
I have the feeling that the overlapping from 3-4 cluster is higher then the single trap with proliferation?

My fire trapper ripped on Friday night so I'm no longer player her, but honestly, after getting the Witch and Templar AoE nodes, while using a Divinarius, Fire Trap + Trap Dmg + Inc. AoE + Crit Multi was enough for packs and single target. You could swap out Inc. AoE for Conc Effect on particularly hard bosses, or run a separate 4-link for single target, but neither was really necessary. Never got to test a five link but it probably would have been Burning Damage.

Again this was in a crit setup with ~50% crit at 3 power charges, so it would take 2 traps per pack on average to get a crit. With the ignite burn + the burning ground stacking, 2 traps per pack with one applying crit burn pretty much cleared everything up into Tier 9 maps where I died, and this was before I grabbed Liege of the Primordial which would have added another 60% fire damage.

I never even tried Fire Trap + Cluster Trap because it seemed very inefficient for my build, and inefficient for how burn works in general.

You might consider going non crit though, since Conflux means you are igniting everything all the time anyway, so it seems like non-crit would let you clear packs more consistently with one trap instead of two, though it would probably be weaker single target.

RIP Gronny, it was fun while it lasted. Robbed of an attempt on Merc Lab by Frost Bearers in underground river :/