SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

So what if lab is a carrot on a stick? I don't get it. What is the conclusion?

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Fruz wrote:

But those things are carrots on sticks.

I already explained to you where is the difference and problem, but you still do not get it (Raics gets it, though I do not agree with his "dying breed" theory), and follow your own fallacy.
Also, are you a mind reader (again)?

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goetzjam wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

HMMMM its like they have an interest in keeping it groupable.

You mean like the rest of the game?


Don't you think its funny how the people that complain about the lab being different are pushing for it to be different in another aspect. LOL


At least follow your script dude.

1) show where I didn't like change? I just do not like bad content.
2) Show where I mentioned grouping for that matter pro or con?

According to you the game should be doable from town if you pay someone to do it for you apparently.
At least make them hit the $#$%^ boss once to get credit.

Oh but then the lab cash cow might require more effort to keep them alive so they will pay you.

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Pyrokar wrote:

So what if lab is a carrot on a stick? I don't get it. What is the conclusion?

PoE 3.0 apparently has some great improvements to labyrinth. The first two labs may be much nicer. Now I do have some concern about the third lab based on Moonginator's post in this thread. But I still think that the significant lab improvement in 3.0 may soothe some of the lab rage. While it may soothe the lab rage with some, people feeding off the lab rage may suffer a frenzy curse?

Frenzy: A violent agitation of the mind approaching madness; rage.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frenzy

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Fruz wrote:

Let's expose some (pathetic) lies now :

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Kellog wrote:

Lol! I didn't include "It does" and as far as your concerned, that's a major deception! Do you read /r/conspiracy by any chance?

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Kellog wrote:

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what does not hold water however is saying "the lab is obviously bad,

Suggesting my argument doesn't hold water because of my personal opinion, isn't much of a rebuttal. You apparently believe the lab is good, I do not, at least in it's current form.

And here is the original quote, with the bolded part :

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what does not hold water however is saying "the lab is obviously bad, people go in there to get the AC!!!"

So much bad faith it's mind blowing.
If you cannot understand basic causality principles, there is absolutely no meaning in trying to discuss with you, it's a dead end.

Two things:

1. You seriously need to learn to read.
2. As previously noted, you need to stop projecting. You're starting to make a fool of yourself.

Here's my reply again!


Me:

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You keep using this specious argument and it just doesn't hold water. These quests don't remove a player from the main game, they also don't require knowledge of traps and other Prince of Persia like nonsense.

You:

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There is no "main game", the amount of knowledge you need does not matter either

Me:

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Are you sure you're not playing some other game?

You:

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What does not hold water however is saying "the lab is obviously bad,

Me:

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Suggesting my argument doesn't hold water because of my personal opinion, isn't much of a rebuttal. You apparently believe the lab is good, I do not, at least in it's current form.

You:

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people go in there to get the AC!!!"

Me:

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They do.

You:

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Saying that you don't like the way the lab is however is a different argument all together

Me:

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It's completely relevant this thread.

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Yet you've been rambling about this for pages.

You were the instigator of this carrot and stick nonsense and you've used the term in numerous posts to a variety of people.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:

So what if lab is a carrot on a stick? I don't get it. What is the conclusion?

PoE 3.0 apparently has some great improvements to labyrinth. The first two labs may be much nicer. Now I do have some concern about the third lab based on Moonginator's post in this thread. But I still think that the significant lab improvement in 3.0 may soothe some of the lab rage. While it may soothe the lab rage with some, people feeding off the lab rage may suffer a frenzy curse?

Frenzy: A violent agitation of the mind approaching madness; rage.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frenzy

:)

I guess ths kinda explains it?

Although i disagree with the 3.0 changes, i can see how it makes it more sufferable. Let's hope that they have more changes in store for the future in order to make it something actually worthy of PoE.

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Nishrek wrote:

I do not agree with his "dying breed" theory

Don't get me wrong, I'd wish if it was different because I'm also doing a lot just for the kicks (like levelling Leo) but that's the vibe I'm getting. You know, I was happy once to just play perma but the carrot leagues got way too tempting at some point.

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Pyrokar wrote:

So what if lab is a carrot on a stick? I don't get it. What is the conclusion?

If it is so, then it isn't all that different in principle to optional quests, it does differ in execution but its rewards also differ from everything you can otherwise earn so it makes sense. The point was it's maybe a bit unrealistic to expect doing the usual thing to earn an unusual reward.

Unusual content for unusual reward eh? I guess we can expect rhoa racing and shoot em up for other rewards deemed unusual by you if they decide to put them in the game?

If the reward is unusual anything goes?

No thanks.

You don't enjoy playing whack-a-mole totems? :)

Obviously, the whole thing is supposed to be within limits of good taste and common sense, which would ultimately be set by GGGs content approval committee (the three guys in halloween masks). So don't go dusting off that guitar hero controller just yet.

@Kellog (and Nishrek, since he is completely missing the point too I guess)

I am going to make it as clear and simple as possible (and as I showed very explicitely, you fallaciously cut a sentence in half before quoting it, Im not even sure if you realize it at this point) :

You said used the fact that the lab is a carrot on a stick to make it look bad, to try to "attack" it.
You are the one who started that.
And as I, and Raics have been pointing out for pages :

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raics wrote:

If it is so, then it isn't all that different in principle to optional quests, it does differ in execution but its rewards also differ from everything you can otherwise earn so it makes sense.

The sole fact that the ascendancy points, and the lab are a carrot on a stick does not make it different from the rest of the game.
The end.


Let's see how many will miss the bolded word here ....