SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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gibbousmoon wrote:

I disagree, having played since before either was implemented.

And I play exclusively self-found, a playstyle that benefits especially strongly from master-crafting.

We are now exclusively in the realm of opinion, but I suspect that your perspective on this is a niche one. People didn't go nuts over the huge jump in power when Master crafting was introduced.

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goetzjam wrote:

@Turtledove, do you really have nothing else to do in life then talk about eating shit? Personally I can't wait until sept. 2nd arrives so I can go "i told you so" about there not being any lab changes, but in the meantime I think you should come up with whatever your arguments are going to be when it isn't changed, despite your "massive" list of QQ's about the topic.


In terms of the power of master crafting vs AC, I think they can be somewhat even, while leveling masters takes a lot longer amount of time, you can aquire the servies of someone else if you don't want to do that grind. The issue is for some reason that people don't want to spend ~12c total or an hour or less per character to do all the labs to get their AC points, they think it is something you should just get. Like games should just give you something just for playing them or something, without any concept of a challenge or anything of that nature. Very different line of thinking of players that originally supported this game and players that will give feedback about something, without actually ever doing it or without thinking of why it is the way it is, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

Using logical arguments with people that dislike the lab is pointless, as apparently GGG is fine with people using literally "shitty" arguments, how that isn't low effort\offtopic, idk, personally it doesn't lead to discussion it just leads to even more negative remarks from all parties involved. And people wonder why the devs don't post here often when people literally talk about eating shit.

Stay classy folks.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

@Turtledove, do you really have nothing else to do in life then talk about eating shit? Personally I can't wait until sept. 2nd arrives so I can go "i told you so" about there not being any lab changes, but in the meantime I think you should come up with whatever your arguments are going to be when it isn't changed, despite your "massive" list of QQ's about the topic.


In terms of the power of master crafting vs AC, I think they can be somewhat even, while leveling masters takes a lot longer amount of time, you can aquire the servies of someone else if you don't want to do that grind. The issue is for some reason that people don't want to spend ~12c total or an hour or less per character to do all the labs to get their AC points, they think it is something you should just get. Like games should just give you something just for playing them or something, without any concept of a challenge or anything of that nature. Very different line of thinking of players that originally supported this game and players that will give feedback about something, without actually ever doing it or without thinking of why it is the way it is, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

Using logical arguments with people that dislike the lab is pointless, as apparently GGG is fine with people using literally "shitty" arguments, how that isn't low effort\offtopic, idk, personally it doesn't lead to discussion it just leads to even more negative remarks from all parties involved. And people wonder why the devs don't post here often when people literally talk about eating shit.

Stay classy folks.

It does not matter if they change it or not, it still is not ARPG gameplay. Just because you have a stubborn developer who refuses to look at the numbers because of ego, does not make him right.

Its clear a large number of people make 1 character (if that many) and quit because of the lab.

And for the trolls who refuse to read the whole thread search for "steam" in this thread.

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goetzjam wrote:

OP doesn't care, low effort people don't care. They rather it be behind something they already complete in the game, that doesn't take any challenge or different play at all, like normal and cruel malachai.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

OP doesn't care, low effort people don't care. They rather it be behind something they already complete in the game, that doesn't take any challenge or different play at all, like normal and cruel malachai.

Straw men remain made of straw, no matter how many times you prop them up again.

"Stay classy," man.

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goetzjam wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

OP doesn't care, low effort people don't care. They rather it be behind something they already complete in the game, that doesn't take any challenge or different play at all, like normal and cruel malachai.

Straw men remain made of straw, no matter how many times you prop them up again.

"Stay classy," man.

Star man or not, it is the fact of the matter. They hate the lab like its the worst fucking thing ever, maybe even worst then cancer, if they put forth this much effort for something that isn't going to get changed, I kinda feel sorry for them.

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goetzjam wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

OP doesn't care, low effort people don't care. They rather it be behind something they already complete in the game, that doesn't take any challenge or different play at all, like normal and cruel malachai.

Straw men remain made of straw, no matter how many times you prop them up again.

"Stay classy," man.

Star man or not, it is the fact of the matter. They hate the lab like its the worst fucking thing ever, maybe even worst then cancer, if they put forth this much effort for something that isn't going to get changed, I kinda feel sorry for them.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Star man or not, it is the fact of the matter. They hate the lab like its the worst fucking thing ever, maybe even worst then cancer, if they put forth this much effort for something that isn't going to get changed, I kinda feel sorry for them.