CI and Labyrinth traps

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Pyrokar wrote:

I have 6k life and 4,5 k es. That's 10,5k points to drain until i die.
Traps do percentage damage so if you are hybrid they take into account your total hp and es to calculate the damage they do. Now i understand that 10,5k is probably double or sometimes tripple what softcore players run the lab with, since there is not much need to go overly defensive in their league.

Here is the thing though, while they get hit for 1,5k - 3k dmg per hit and can use one instant pot to refresh their life pool, i get hit for 5k - 6k and have to use a whole instant flask (all three charges in very quick succession) to heal the same amount you do with one charge. Furthermore, i can only do that when i am nearly dead since flasks don't regen es. I have no idea how hybrid and non witch ci builds, who cant regen enough through the damage, can survive a series of hits and are fine with the way lab works now.

For me to do lab runs, i have to remove my gear, get new gear with no life or es and respec out of life nodes. Does this sound like a pretty softcore build to you? It pretty much does to me...
It is very, very badly designed and since it's integral to the expansion i think it should be changed for people running builds like the ones i mentioned.

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Starxsword wrote:

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I found it to be extremely easy with CI, even if you fuck up and eat the traps from time to time (it happens), you just wait for the ES recharge and never run out of flasks. To actually die from full HP, you have to actively chase the chainsaws around and try to break through spike doors with your nose. Even grinded the merciless one for good helm/boots enchantment.

How's that possible? When I ran through using CI, I lose ES just as fast as I lose life, I can see my globe just drop. It made making mistakes much more punishing.

If it is easy for CI, then, it has to be trivial for life. For life, you can do something similar, just takes a bit more time, just drop a Rejuvenation Totem and/or use stone golem to regen to full, if necessary.

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sidtherat wrote:

id like to see a screenshot/video of a trap sequence that is unavoidable and deadly

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Starxsword wrote:

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I found it to be extremely easy with CI, even if you fuck up and eat the traps from time to time (it happens), you just wait for the ES recharge and never run out of flasks. To actually die from full HP, you have to actively chase the chainsaws around and try to break through spike doors with your nose. Even grinded the merciless one for good helm/boots enchantment.

How's that possible? When I ran through using CI, I lose ES just as fast as I lose life, I can see my globe just drop. It made making mistakes much more punishing.

If it is easy for CI, then, it has to be trivial for life. For life, you can do something similar, just takes a bit more time, just drop a Rejuvenation Totem and/or use stone golem to regen to full, if necessary.

1. Use a good movement skill (Flame Dash, Lightning Warp).
2. Move faster (Quicksilver flask).
3. Leech ES (Ghost Reaver, Vaal Pact).

Better yet, all of the above.

Why should it be easier for a Life build than for ES? It's easier for more powerful builds regardless of their primary resource.

My only concern is the prizes for faster completion time they are going to give out. Now THAT is going to be really unfair. Frenzy based fast running builds will zip through it in no time, and there is no way for the rest to compete with that.

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stdcall wrote:

usually have an easy pattern

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Kelvynn wrote:

All traps can be successfully navigated by just walking carefully and timing your moves

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Starxsword wrote:

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I found it to be extremely easy with CI, even if you fuck up and eat the traps from time to time (it happens), you just wait for the ES recharge and never run out of flasks. To actually die from full HP, you have to actively chase the chainsaws around and try to break through spike doors with your nose. Even grinded the merciless one for good helm/boots enchantment.

How's that possible? When I ran through using CI, I lose ES just as fast as I lose life, I can see my globe just drop. It made making mistakes much more punishing.

If it is easy for CI, then, it has to be trivial for life. For life, you can do something similar, just takes a bit more time, just drop a Rejuvenation Totem and/or use stone golem to regen to full, if necessary.

1. Use a good movement skill (Flame Dash, Lightning Warp).
2. Move faster (Quicksilver flask).
3. Leech ES (Ghost Reaver, Vaal Pact).

Better yet, all of the above.

Why should it be easier for a Life build than for ES? It's easier for more powerful builds regardless of their primary resource.

My only concern is the prizes for faster completion time they are going to give out. Now THAT is going to be really unfair. Frenzy based fast running builds will zip through it in no time, and there is no way for the rest to compete with that.

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and the problem isnt that bad on a CI as long as you have some experience running lab , on a hybrid though its almost twice as hard .

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gathor wrote:

The big pain is when you get rooted. I had 10.5k ES and make a mistake of stepping on one of those ground spikes and not moving out in time. Not a biggie, bleed pot and I waited for spikes to go away. Then the Saw come in IN FRONT of the spike trap. It killed me. I don't know what damage area these have but I was in the middle of spikey trap and Saw trap was in no position to even touch me. This ended my adventure with CI in lab...Pretty devastating.
Another character, MoM EB died in lava. Yes lava. The damage I took was so insane that 3xinstant divine flask did not manage to keep me alive. Level 89 in cruel lab btw.
Pretty sure there is something odd going on in lab.