Difference between melee and range builds.

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LSN wrote:

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grepman wrote:

the true problem of melee in poe is because every class can do anything and there are no designated melee classes like in other arpgs. you cant give something to a duelist or a marauder without making it available for everyone else as well.
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Exactly, and therefore I suggested negative crit multiplier on gems that offer the highest aoe addition to ranged like 2 years or whatever ago.

GGG never got in their brain that giving one playstyle everything can't be balanced out. To repeat it again:
1. max range = best defense and fastest way to approach enemies.
2. max aoe = most enemies hit at the same time.
3. max damage = most damage on top of it
4. max speed = highest run and movement speed.

The game can only be balanced by taking away from that.



PoE could get on a real good level if the slightest bit of teamplay was involved and not only a rush and run for the highest kill and clearspeed.

That could be:

Melee is mainly tanking stuff but doesn't deal enough damage and aoe damage.
Ranged AOE is softening stuff with high aoe but doesn't deal enough damage to kill hard opponents quick enough and gets easily killed when they come close.
Ranged Single Target can take out strong opponents but doesn't deal enough aoe to kill fast enough.

Then some mixed classes:
Melee 2 hand: 2x 6L allows aoe + single target to be mixed at the cost of defense compared to one hand + shield.


This is only for endgame. It is completely fine that every char can level up to 85/90 alone and do everything on its own and in general can play lower content alone.

Just think a moment about if the game was like that. It would be alot of fun to arrange, coordinate and play such groups.


Of course we still got the problem that Bows get 2 6L while most others don't and therefore can get one high aoe and one high single target skill. Also the quiver advantage on top of all that. I would say tweaking gems (negative crit multiplier) offer enough potential to deal with many of these things.


Another thing to do is to allow every class to get at least two 6L items by either letting them use chest twice or introducing 6L pants. That would benefit the overall experience of playing the game as everyone could spam two skill instead of one then.

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eWlu wrote:

So my question is why isint vaal pack on mara side of the tree?

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sidtherat wrote:

from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/43zszd/initial_report_skilltree_analysis_for_the_top/

heat map of passives used by top 15k players in hc and sc talisman

mara side of the tree is pretty much empty. the shadow/witch one on the other hand.. and crit bow nodes are almost as popular as life clusters.

perfect isnt it? it mirrors Berserk vs Assassin perfectly

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sidtherat wrote:

from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/43zszd/initial_report_skilltree_analysis_for_the_top/

heat map of passives used by top 15k players in hc and sc talisman

mara side of the tree is pretty much empty. the shadow/witch one on the other hand.. and crit bow nodes are almost as popular as life clusters.

perfect isnt it? it mirrors Berserk vs Assassin perfectly

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Ceryneian wrote:

15k characters? That seems too much to me. Something is wrong with that dataset if it is showing Acro as one of the top keystones.

Arrow Dancing as a top keystone?

Lol, that dataset takes too many characters it is meaningless - how many new players are in that dataset who joined PoE levelled 1 bow character to level 40 and has left the game?

There is way too much noise in 15k characters. Top 100 or Top 500 characters would make more sense.

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Ceryneian wrote:

15k characters? That seems too much to me. Something is wrong with that dataset if it is showing Acro as one of the top keystones.

Arrow Dancing as a top keystone?

Lol, that dataset takes too many characters it is meaningless - how many new players are in that dataset who joined PoE levelled 1 bow character to level 40 and has left the game?

There is way too much noise in 15k characters. Top 100 or Top 500 characters would make more sense.

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Ceryneian wrote:

I don't know about you guys but top keystone in Hardcore being ACROBATICS by a MASSIVE margin doesn't make sense to me.

Scrotie's idea is actually really good to see the difference between top 500 vs. the 15k.