Why does GGG hate auction houses?
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Bots.
There has been tons and tons of discussions about this, and if you weren't here when they were going on, you'll just have to trust me that general consensus is that AH won't work. D3 was a great example of why it won't work, and how people will exploit an automatic system. So, we don't hate AH, but it simply won't work in that form. Sry. :C Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Last edited by Perq#4049 on Dec 14, 2015, 2:22:53 AM
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" Obviously they don't do the same things. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. Last edited by elitedesolator#6827 on Dec 14, 2015, 2:22:11 AM
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" they aren't the same thing though- I thought I addressed that in my post with clear differences. poe.trade stops well short of a full AH. and both sides of the debate acknowledge it. its like saying ebay is the same thing as craigslist...but its not. on ebay you see a buyout, buy it online and its shipped soon. you can run bots to automate the process. on craigslist something is listed, you have to call. then meet up with the person. that person might want to rob you, switch and bait, give you a shitty item, or completely flake out on you or simply refuse to sell the item for the first price he mentioned. |
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poe.trade is perfect, it's tedious enough to not be dangerous like a real AH and convenient enough to not make people rage quit because of trade chat.
poe.trade is NOT like an ingame AH, if you don't see that you need to think about it harder GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence. Last edited by Xavderion#3432 on Dec 14, 2015, 2:36:25 AM
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" you're missing the point completely here- by trivializing getting any upgrade ASAP for cheap at a click of the button, you're utterly making your drops garbage. because drops are random but your upgrades are not and chances are one mans trash is your treasure because AH basically represents many drops over the long run you can cherry pick. d3 devs said people used auction house because they felt no reason to not to. people posted their garbage gear for dirt cheap...because they had no reason not to... and they were bought for dirt cheap because there were people for whom that gear was an upgrade and drops were not. that's a problem. shiiit the first time I went through D3 I was struggling to do damage. I got to hell act 2 or 3 and the damage was puny. I decided to take a look at AH for first time and I found a ton of weapons that had 2 or 3 times of my weapon DPS for laughable price (something like 2-3k gold, basically irrelevant and negligible). I bought the damn weapon in a second and then my damage was great. there, trivialized the acquisition of the item and made my drops irrelevant. |
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I don't think GGG hate auction houses. I think they realize that you guys, the PoE community as a whole, do. You hate them, irrationally, as your preferred scapegoat for your Diablo 3 frustrations, without much if any critical analysis of whether such hatred is deserved. And if PoE had an auction house, you would probably act even more irrationally then, complaining endlessly about how things have gone to shit without sticking around to see if your ideas are anywhere near correct.
An automated trading system would actually be very pleasant to have, but you guys are why we can't have nice things. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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" People can still run bots to farm orbs and currency. It wasn't AH botters or flipping that cause D3 economy to collapse, it is the farmings botters who caused so much inflation that it made it impossible for genuine players to compete. Last edited by deathflower#0444 on Dec 14, 2015, 3:20:27 AM
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"this post also doesnt contain much critical analysis, let's be honest here. I dont see the 'hate' of AH as 'irrational'- people (as well as GGG) have stated the basis of why they don't want/like an AH. irrational hate would be 'fuck AH because D3'. I would also guess a lot of people who didnt/dont play MMO's encountered AH for the first time in D3. and a lot of people dont blindly hate anything and everything d3 just because it was in d3. |
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" http://diablo3story.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/a-diablo-3-story.html Mind explaining to me why is PoE's economy not collapsing? Because you can (according to you) bot in PoE, and get all these items. The only difference now is that PoE doesn't have AH. It is simply another thing GGG would need to think about when they were banning bots. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Last edited by Perq#4049 on Dec 14, 2015, 3:53:21 AM
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" There are many instances where a common market system work splendidly. If you are gonna implement a common market system, you can't expect it to work independently without looking at other aspect of the game like the economical system. Indeed, If we were to implement a AH currently it could potentially failed or perform suboptimally without support from the developers to change other aspects of the game to ensure its success. It would failed if you let it. It is a futile debate where both side are arguing about different scenario where An AH could potentially succeed or potentially fail. |
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