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ScrotieMcB wrote:

In many states you can show up with no ID at a ballot place to vote, or vote at any of the ballot places to vote (meaning - multiple times)

So the commission there (whatever body is in charge of that voting place) doesn't need to identify you as a person eligible to vote? That sounds crazy to me. Here, you not only have to bring your "appeal paper" and ID, the commission has a list of people that are eligible to vote only at that place and has to cross out everyone who already voted. You cant just go into some other town or city to vote, not even once, let alone multiple times.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

guy who loses his ID loses his right to vote, etc. And in some areas there seems to be some truth to that; after the law changed in some places, the ID-issuance offices closed en masse in higher-minority areas, etc.

Doesn't that guy need his ID (driver's) to drive a car? He would need to remake the ID in any case. Sounds like an excuse to keep the current (major?) holes in the system.

i find the whole illegal people being able to vote thing so strange too, honestly I find the idea that deporting illegal people is a bad thing kind of ridiculous as well. If its a bad idea to deport them then why have the laws that make them illegal? If you want them to stay just change the law so theyre legal.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Alex Jones isnt quite on the Icke level of incredible, but hes a lot closer than I think he would like to believe tbh. Im not sure what to make of Jones, since he came to my attention in the aftermath of 9/11 Ive flip flopped from thinking hes maybe a crazy person to maybe a sane person whos a little lose to a perhaps sane person intentionally making subjects look insane and back to a crazy person so many times, I really dont know what his angle is tbh. I think himself and Icke have made a fairly nice living for themselves, thats not to be discounted and could well be the driving force here.

Heres the thing with the pair of them though, a broken clock tells the right time twice a day, their on point level is a fair bit higher than that, and what is disturbing is how much of what they say started as "lol, this guy is mental thats clearly absurd conspiracy nonsense" and has progressed to "thats pretty much accepted fact now... and no one cares."

My take is that Alex Jones has a good nose for picking up the whiff that something nefarious is going on, but he lacks the formal training, dedicated resources and patience to deliver a finished investigatory product that would conclusively condemn his subjects. The end result is that even when his instinct is good, all it really does is whet the viewer's appetite to see a real investigation done.

I'm impressed by both the audacity of what he has tried to infiltrate and the degree to which he has managed to get some kind of results, despite techniques that are unorthodox at best and amateurish at worst.

Given the right resources and some training, I think he would be able to produce stuff that would stand up in court and convict people.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Alex started with the idea that terrorists were back door funded by western governments, general feeling was this was absurd.

There has been someone trying to intentionally shift the direction of the winds in the Middle East for a very long period of time. The various powers used whatever leverage they could. While it was usually with more established powers like governments, the effectivness of the Afghans against the Soviets opened a whole new realm of thinking. To some degree, the thinking of trilateralists like Zbigniew Brzezinski really changed what was considered possible based on the way regional parties interacted, instead of just major opposing forces.

Long story short - it isn't surprising at all that major powers were interacting with terrorists. What is surprising is that the powers didn't try to legitimatize the groups and exert a very strong hand in what they were allowed and disallowed to do. When you consider the extreme lack of oversight on many Obama programs, such as Fast and Furious, this fits the pattern.

There was a plan. When the plan started failing, people shrugged their shoulders and tried to pretend it wasn't happening. It's the table side waiter making Bananas Foster, accidentally setting a table on fire, walking away and not calling the fire dept. When the fire dept arrives, the waiter tries to blame a diner for smoking.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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innervation wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

In any case, there's definitely some weirdness in the Podestas talking in code. One doesn't just say "Do you think I'll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?" in emails between powerful people; that's clearly code. There's something going on.

I haven't followed it as closely as some, but this seems to be the vibe of every part of it.

To be fair, I pretty deliberately picked out the weirdest sentence I could possibly find (one other is a virtual tie). It's just that once code-words are established, everything kinda needs to be reread... and then things get creepier.

Consider that five years prior to the Podesta Wikileaks, back in Feb 2011, Andrew Breitbart was calling Podesta out for something along these lines.

"How prog-guru John Podesta isn't household name as world class underage sex slave op cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me."

https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920

how fast pass the time, here donald trump playing guitar with his band
The Animals - The House of the Rising Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sB3Fjw3Uvc

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DalaiLama wrote:

Consider that five years prior to the Podesta Wikileaks, back in Feb 2011, Andrew Breitbart was calling Podesta out for something along these lines.

"How prog-guru John Podesta isn't household name as world class underage sex slave op cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me."

https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920

Tfw Andrew Breitbart got killed because of pizzagate.

Time for some thread imagery, which you may or may not have seen.

I think Trump is trolling Mitt Romney. Acting like he's gonna give him a position, instead he'll get the boot. That's pretty vindictive. It just proves how much of a slimy sycophant Romney is. He'd effectively be gutted as a political contender. Politically cuckolded for eternity.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

In many states you can show up with no ID at a ballot place to vote, or vote at any of the ballot places to vote (meaning - multiple times)

So the commission there (whatever body is in charge of that voting place) doesn't need to identify you as a person eligible to vote? That sounds crazy to me. Here, you not only have to bring your "appeal paper" and ID, the commission has a list of people that are eligible to vote only at that place and has to cross out everyone who already voted. You cant just go into some other town or city to vote, not even once, let alone multiple times.

Sounds crazy to me as well. Whatever country you're in, we need a system like that in the States. I imagine some whackos in Chicago would complain that it disenfranchises dead voters.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-dead-vote-colorado-chicago-edit-0927-md-20160926-story.html

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EpicGoesXerxis wrote:

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morbo wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

In many states you can show up with no ID at a ballot place to vote, or vote at any of the ballot places to vote (meaning - multiple times)

So the commission there (whatever body is in charge of that voting place) doesn't need to identify you as a person eligible to vote? That sounds crazy to me. Here, you not only have to bring your "appeal paper" and ID, the commission has a list of people that are eligible to vote only at that place and has to cross out everyone who already voted. You cant just go into some other town or city to vote, not even once, let alone multiple times.

Sounds crazy to me as well. Whatever country you're in, we need a system like that in the States. I imagine some whackos in Chicago would complain that it disenfranchises dead voters.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-dead-vote-colorado-chicago-edit-0927-md-20160926-story.html

Spoiler

From the article:
Colorado Springs resident Sara Sosa, for example, passed away on Oct. 14, 2009, but records indicate she voted each of the next four years. Her late husband showed somewhat less determination, voting just once — so far, anyway — after shuffling off this mortal coil. The secretary of state's office later confirmed that at least 78 dead people were still listed on the voting rolls.

As Chicagoans, we have one thing to say: amateurs. The Denver investigation turned up only four confirmed cases of corpses actually casting ballots. And the whole scandal seems to be the work of a few hapless freelancers — presumably, someone getting hold of a ballot mailed to the home of the deceased and deciding not to waste it.

Again, people completely misunderstand this. I've worked as a Judge of Elections in my precinct in the past, giving back to my community. And in my state, yes, you can vote without an ID, but ONLY after you've shown the ID or poof of residency at least once. Meaning you can only vote without ID on return visits after your first election where you registered. The only way to abuse that system is by identity theft of the person you knew who wasn't going in to vote. I can only vouch for my state, so not sure what others states do for IDs/proof when voting.