Donald Trump

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innervation wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
In any case, there's definitely some weirdness in the Podestas talking in code. One doesn't just say "Do you think I'll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?" in emails between powerful people; that's clearly code. There's something going on.
I haven't followed it as closely as some, but this seems to be the vibe of every part of it.
To be fair, I pretty deliberately picked out the weirdest sentence I could possibly find (one other is a virtual tie). It's just that once code-words are established, everything kinda needs to be reread... and then things get creepier.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
That's how 4chan and 8chan dig, they literally brute force it by following every single trace, no matter how stupid it is. A lot of the things they dug up are harmless, but some of it is creepy as fuck. Let's just say I wouldn't go eat pizza and play ping pong with my kid there.

In other news, the Shitposter in Chief is angry, he literally went full Alex Jones, the absolute madman.



GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
Ok I saw a doc, well, a rambling stream of stuffs on youtuve regarding the pizzagate stuff the other night... holy cow lol.

There was a lot of "this person has a perfectly normal picture of what is probably their kid on their facebook, OMG THIS IS SINISTER THIS PERSON SHOULD BE LOCKED UP!" But there was actually so much stuff that raised an eyebrow that I was unsettled, theres certainly some smoke for sure.
I think that's a common - and deliberate - situation when looking into real conspiracies. Promoting irrelevant information increases the signal-to-noise ratio, and it can be difficult to distunguish an intentional disinformation spreader from a sincere investigator caught up with a red herring left deliberately, or innocently, by someone else. The latter, unfortunately, does much to discredit his cause, as not only does he misinform his audience despite his intentions, but opponents use earlier errors to discredit anything valid which happens to turn up later when there's real information to report (recent example: InfoWars' troubled past + Podesta emails).

I think Julian Assange understands this better than most. Wikileaks record on accuracy has been spectacular, and editorializing is mostly "third party solutioned" so it doesn't become a liability. Still, Wikileaks depends on viral memetics in much the same way GGG depends on trade indexers. (One of my strongest critiques of James O'Keefe is his editing of undercover footage; raw, unedited, un-subtitled content would be much more compelling, and third parties would make derivative videos with better presentation.)

In any case, there's definitely some weirdness in the Podestas talking in code. One doesn't just say "Do you think I'll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?" in emails between powerful people; that's clearly code. There's something going on.




for sure, I think the idea of proper journalism (? I dunno if thats exactly the right term tbh) has gone with the internet, that someone serious gathers information, investigates, then presents you with a solid, air tight to a satisfactory level study, pretty much forget it. Theres a few left overs from the past like Pilger still battling away but now its mostly just a mess of over information, its pretty much completely on the viewer now to pick through the mass carnage for the juicy bits, which is sort of disastrous in a world where most people are looking for confirmation over revelation I guess.

The guy who did the video I watched, Im not even going to call it a documentary, I think was an honest guy who was just way too caught up in it all, he had either been driven mad by his extensive digging on the subject or was mad to begin with an thats what drove the dig in the first place. There were really heavy bits of info that should be setting off alarms that were sort of brushed over, just mentioned in passing and then quite a focus put on really weak speculations. He was constantly coming out with "these people should be investigated AND THROWN IN JAIL!!!!!"... well... they should be investigated and then condemned on the judgement we have already made before we investigated? lol? the guy had a screw lose for sure, thats not a sane train of thought. But you need people like that because people like me wouldnt go digging in fk all without first coming across a dude like this ranting away about it, the worst thing is to completely dismiss these sort of people. I watch all the madmen, even when its satanic lunar 5th dimensional reptile mind control bases and all im getting from it is a laugh I still listen to what they have to say. You need that Carrie Mathison off her meds insanity to make some wild speculations and get a glimpse of what is or isnt in the darkness from time to time.


extended ramble on the infowars for ppl with too much time on thier hands...

Spoiler

Alex Jones isnt quite on the Icke level of incredible, but hes a lot closer than I think he would like to believe tbh. Im not sure what to make of Jones, since he came to my attention in the aftermath of 9/11 Ive flip flopped from thinking hes maybe a crazy person to maybe a sane person whos a little lose to a perhaps sane person intentionally making subjects look insane and back to a crazy person so many times, I really dont know what his angle is tbh. I think himself and Icke have made a fairly nice living for themselves, thats not to be discounted and could well be the driving force here.

Heres the thing with the pair of them though, a broken clock tells the right time twice a day, their on point level is a fair bit higher than that, and what is disturbing is how much of what they say started as "lol, this guy is mental thats clearly absurd conspiracy nonsense" and has progressed to "thats pretty much accepted fact now... and no one cares."

Alex started with the idea that terrorists were back door funded by western governments, general feeling was this was absurd. Then it moves to this middle ground where ppl generally accept that the cia created what became al qaeda and bin laden was a middleman in this for them, but essentially hes now turned on them and is working entirely against them. Now we know that Clinton is making the biggest arms deals in history with the governments she knows are in turn arming Isis, its clear as day and no one gives a shit, its just whatever, a brushed over thing of minor note.

The BBC used to be held as an important news source, impartial, fact based, keeping people informed of the realities. At some point Tony Blair didnt like what they were saying and interfered with their management, some stirrings of censorship were heard and protested. Pilger did an interview with a BBC news policy bigwig in one of his docs in recent years and on the subject of their Iraq war reporting and other cases she just blatantly says "this is what the government told us, it is our job to report what the government says it is not our place to call the prime minister of the uk a liar".... err.... yeah thats EXACTLY what ur fking job is if thats the truth. Shes openly saying the BBC is an unquestioning propaganda outlet for the government and heres the thing, she doesnt even see the relevance of that, none of them do. They are so brainwashed by now that this seems perfectly reasonable, and you know what? No one cares, she can say this and what is the response of the uk? Nothing, no response, no one even thinks theres something wrong with that. If she had said that 20 or 30 years ago there would have been outrage, from people who would have called Jones insane for saying it, people who are still alive today and those people dont care in the slightest any more.


I feel like theres hints of the doc I linked above in the situation, between the propaganda of the established media and the unrefined flow of anything and everything from the sewage pipe of the alternate media these things have essentially become normalised. The chaos of information and misinformation has left people numb, they have given up trying to make real sense of things. Theyre just trapped in their own little bubble of individualism where their world tells them what they want to hear and everything is inevitable, nothing they are thinking or doing will ever really change anything. Has the likes of Infowars actually contributed to this rather than combating it? Is that accidental? Intentional? Was that always the point? Who knows, like everything now days its just fractal questions all the way to the horizon with no answers, think whatever you want to think and then get on with your life. Go buy yourself a new pair of shoes and feel happy for a few days, or go and protest about it and get watercannoned, either action is entirely inconsequential so the sane option becomes the retail therapy.

Trump capitalised on this perfectly right? People knew the majority of what he said was nonsense so they could laugh off the bulk of it that went against what they wanted to hear as theater and focus in just on the bits they wanted to be the real message, and if they were wrong what does it matter? Nothing matters any more, were all just inconsequential individuals whos actions have no impact so its safe, we can make a whimsical vote that might be wrong, why not have some fun with it? Hillary was political status quo, sure, she was the unchanged evil machine marching onwards... but she was also simply boring right? I remember sitting watching the election rolling in and wanting Trump to win, and I have to be honest a lot of it was impish, i just thought it would be fun to see what happened when an inflatable used car salesman captained by a blonde hairspray rodent became the president of the usa, for my own individual warped amusement as a fan of political satire. Honestly I think that meant more to me in the moment than any collectivist vision of a better world in regards to the appointment of such an important global position, essentially because I dont have one of those any more. At least my sense of humor is real to me, it may be all I have left.


I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Xavderion wrote:
In other news, the Shitposter in Chief is angry, he literally went full Alex Jones, the absolute madman.

I don't think Trump is right. If Clinton's ahead 2.2 million votes and about 90% of illegal votes are for Hillary (she won't get ALL of them, I've heard of some isolated crazies in Canada who crossed the border for Trump), then we'd be assuming 2.8 million illegal votes to give Trump the lead. I'm fairly confident significant numbers of fraudulent votes could be found nationwide, but 2.8 million is about ten times what I'd consider to be a high estimate. Obviously, the DNC machine underestimated Trump and didn't cheat as hard as they could have, or Nov 8 would have turned out differently; they didn't push as much illegality as they could have.

I find it hard to believe Trump could mess this up mentally. I think he's deliberately appealing to the Infowars type of fan base. I'm not sure why though.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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Political problems are a persistent subject in Brazil. We have a "great" democracy, but our problem is the corrupt politics - and they're the majority.

Only time will tell how America would deal with their actual problems. I really hope that Trump don't act like a fool and start a new War or something similar to Bush's government...<8/
@Snorkle: I pretty much agree with what you're seeing, but with the opposite evaluation.

Here's an excerpt from Albert Einstein (really), written in 1949:
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Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.
This is the story of the United States, and the world at large, for the past 15 years. Perhaps longer. Right and Left; poison as food, and poison as antidote.

The unpredictable phenomenon here - "the Mule," for Foundation fans - was the Internet. It contested the stranglehold of information controlled by the media oligarchy. Wikileaks. Not so much the victory of Trump so much as the defeat of the elites' anointed one, Hillary Clinton. It wasn't the first time things hadn't quite gone according to plan - Brexit, Putin. But it was a first for America, in a good long while.

Not to say Putin is our staunch ally or anything. For the moment, probably, but having a common enemy isn't quite the same as having a friend.

Nothing is more important to democracy, liberty, or our survival add a species than a free Internet. It is the key factor bringing us back from the brink, and the brainwashers have finally figured that out. Their counterstrike is in progress; we must repel it.

We need a place where all ideas, no matter how seemingly batshit, can be peer-reviewed and gain in popularity. We need a new free press focused precisely not on confirmation but on revelation. We need a true, vibrant marketplace of ideas, with tons of competition... and no consensus narrative whatsoever. Except, perhaps, that there never should be one.

Yes, Trump was Internet troll incarnate, and actually won. That's precisely why it's so important that he did. Meme Party 2024.

If we cannot free the press from corporatist rule, if they can control the flow of information, then Einstein was right, and capitalism has already doomed us all.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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Uh, how can you "illegally" vote in the US?

In my country the state sends everyone eligible for voting (basically every citizen above 18) a "ticket" or "appeal" and if you decide to go to vote, you have to present that ticket + one personal document to the commission there. You can only cast your vote in your local designated voting place (which is your place of residence).
When night falls
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In impenetrable darkness
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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I find it hard to believe Trump could mess this up mentally. I think he's deliberately appealing to the Infowars type of fan base. I'm not sure why though.


I think it's just his narcissism. I'm surprised KC got him to hold his tongue this long.
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morbo wrote:
Uh, how can you "illegally" vote in the US?
In many states you can show up with no ID at a ballot place to vote, or vote at any of the ballot places to vote (meaning - multiple times), or get an ID (driver's license) as a non-citizen with no identifying marks on it labeling you as non-citizen. Generally, increasing restrictions is fought by the Left under the argument that it makes voting more difficult, especially for minorities; guy who loses his ID loses his right to vote, etc. And in some areas there seems to be some truth to that; after the law changed in some places, the ID-issuance offices closed en masse in higher-minority areas, etc.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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Schmodderhengst wrote:
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morbo wrote:
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Schmodderhengst wrote:
The only fact here is an insecure voting system.

Then better do a recount in states where Hillary supposedly won by a small margin.


Republicans could have asked for that. Probably there haven´t been any irregularities found in those elections, so it would be a waste of money.


I sincerely doubt that is the reason. The GOP considers that they have the election won, so why bother rocking the boat, undermining voter confidence or potentially delaying the process. If the election were more closely contested, my guess would be that they would ask for a recount in Nevada and New Mexico and try to look at how many voters weren't citizens at all. Colorado would have that problem as well, but the percentages fpr Trump to win probably aren't there even if that factor was taken out. NH possibly as well.
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