Donald Trump

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Bars wrote:

Forgive my skepticism of your judgement about the dairy industry if you can't even spell it right.

writing down the dairy into the diary daily can get hairy confusing.

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vio wrote:

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Bars wrote:

Forgive my skepticism of your judgement about the dairy industry if you can't even spell it right.

writing down the dairy into the diary daily can get hairy confusing.

A fair point and I usually try to avoid going the spelling or grammar Nazi route, especially since I also make mistakes all the time. However, this mistake makes the entire text look as if it just parrots someone else's words with no real understanding on the subject.

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cipher_nemo wrote:

4.) Hillary supporters are having a difficult time accepting the results of this election because the liberal media and Hillary's campaign have been pushing flawed polls and attacking the very character of Trump, instilling fear and playing up to the PC thought control. But it goes even deeper than that: liberal media establishment has been shielding the public that trusts them for their news from the truths of this election and the candidates. I'm not just talking about the facts GOP is highlighting, I'm talking about all facts surrounding the candidates.

Do your own research, avoid the news sources and sites you normally use, and look into opposing news sources. Sift through the sources, ignore the satire or false flag sources, look both nationally and Internationally, and learn for yourself what is really true, what has not been covered, and what each candidate has done or failed to do in their past. Keep your heart open, but always think critically. You'll find that both Hillary and Trump are not what the media, both left and right, have painted them to be. Only then will you find peace about this transition of power.

+1. Beautiful.

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Bars wrote:

However, this mistake makes the entire text look as if it just parrots someone else's words with no real understanding on the subject.

well yes, solwitch had better times and better hooks where more people would bite.

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just found another "told you so" which fits into the doomsayer's category:

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vio wrote:

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I find that quote very odd. Is he saying Hitler was honest when he said the problem was the Jews? Is he saying that the honest appraisal is that blacks and illegal immigrants are the problem in 2010? I mean, I can't even.

The closest thing I can give to a coherent response is: it feels like he switches from assuming honesty to assuming dishonesty in an arbitrary manner. It feels like preemptive character assassination against any honest politician which should naturally occur.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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actually I agree with almost eveythign bothof you said just there. I dont think were actually that far off each other Dalai we were just talking on different time scales.

Ive not seen any good models for how things could work. Honestly I dunno if anyone has them. Were moving that way, the west seems pretty tied up already. If you look at something like the indoor smoking ban, tested on cali and then very quickly it was rolled out over not only america but europe too. Europe itself, Hitler tried to unify it and everyone said "not like this thanks", but not long after he was dispatched you have the European Economic Community formed, which is fine its essentially just a trade agreement, no biggie. Then over quite a small time period relatively speaking its suddenly the EU, it controls like 70% of the laws in its member states, it has its own anthem, its own flag, its become pretty much a full government under the radar of the general public that is enforcing certain policies in union with america. Its not even just power grabbing, people are giving over their power to these centralising forces in a lot of instances. You can feel the hands behind the scenes pulling it all together.

Whats the actual idea? I dunno, Im not even sure they have one. It might be as simple as getting to the point where we virtually have a world government without ppl really noticing so much, just keeping a somewhat business as usual front on the local level and then when the apparatus is there behind it all work out where we can go from there.

Im not saying ditch money all together, the worlds too complex for some complete state control idea like the russians tried. But capitalism in a box maybe, the ideas of debt, stock markets, not sure we need these things. As long as theres resources that need distributed then we need a system of credits for ppl to spend etc. Robots can only do so much, if you are a brick layer then a robot can do your job pretty much, go put your feet up and get a hobby. Im a graphic designer, a robot is never going to be able to do my job, someone like me is always going to have to be working and theres got to be a payoff to incentivise thatt.

Right now when you look around the world theres a lot of places that look like theyre not even ready for capitalist democracy yet, never mind something beyond that, its so far down the line that I dont think a given model could really seem realistic yet. Play it by ear so to speak. Im also not sure we have time to wait for them though, things might get ugly on the way tbh.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I'm starting to get worried that the extremist fringe of the Clinton half of America won't take the red pill on its own. Back on page 270 I laid out two binary choices, but when I did I thought the worst of it would be victim mentality and throwing some isms around; instead, things have gotten violent to the point that the "warrior" in SJW is losing its irony.

I also underestimated militancy on the right. I blame Alex Jones. Although maybe I should suspect 4chan. Haven't gone there lately.

Why won't it die off on its own? The echo chamber is still in full effect. Mainstream media covers the vandals, and quotes them saying "Trump is racist, Trump wants to deport all Muslims, Trump hates gays." Who told them those lies? The mainstream media did. It's as if you took a human centipede and attached the end to the front, creating a never-ending loop.

I've tried to penetrate the loop via social media. I've made passionate arguments with solid evidence. I've calmed down the less emotional types, but those on my friendslist talking hate and promoting violence, they just unfriended me after some oh-so-fun verbal abuse. It really does feel like the Matrix; they're protecting their own echo chambers. A prison for their minds.

I feel we need to pressure the mainstream media to admit its obvious failures. We need them to take accountability instead of continuing to dodge it. We need them to say they're sorry. Until they do, I'm afraid the violence will only get worse.

its a weird place weve ended up at right? The post 9/11 truther resist the evil system protest culture make the world great again revolution thing that was spreading through the west, mainly via the internet, has now got to a very, very strange stage. What started as a backlash against war, violence and a corrupt system has now fully splintered into 2 camps. One half of them are pro clinton who couldnt be more a part of the establishment and the other half directly oppose them and support trump, who may have been against the establishment but is still very much an establishment figure wearing the unacceptable face of capitalism like a badge, hes almost so establishment he doesnt even know it. And theyre both getting super militant, talking violence, being very undemocratic, unreasonable. Its like the system has found a way to just incorporate them, theyve been absorbed into the machine somehow and where once there was an idea of kids marching for peace and democracy against establishment wars theres now 2 angry mobs trying to bully their half of the establishment into power. The organic smoothie putsch vs the nuclearproof tinned food gestapo.

I guess the one thing they couldnt escape was human nature? God knows, but a strange, ugly place weve arrived at.

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vio wrote:

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I find that quote very odd. Is he saying Hitler was honest when he said the problem was the Jews? Is he saying that the honest appraisal is that blacks and illegal immigrants are the problem in 2010? I mean, I can't even.

The closest thing I can give to a coherent response is: it feels like he switches from assuming honesty to assuming dishonesty in an arbitrary manner. It feels like preemptive character assassination against any honest politician which should naturally occur.

no, the person would be honest about therr being a problem, which everybody knows, it isn't secret like trump idiots want to believe. The finger pointing would begin to explain what the problem is, and since 'life is complicated' wont be a good enough answer, more simple answers will fill the void, and then groups of people are singled out. The problems are existential but people don't transcend, don't do existential, so hatred is used as the answer instead because it is easier, more powerful in the short term. It isn't dishonest as much as it is a slippery slope, because there is no easy answers, but there are very hard problems.

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LostForm wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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vio wrote:

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I find that quote very odd. Is he saying Hitler was honest when he said the problem was the Jews? Is he saying that the honest appraisal is that blacks and illegal immigrants are the problem in 2010? I mean, I can't even.

The closest thing I can give to a coherent response is: it feels like he switches from assuming honesty to assuming dishonesty in an arbitrary manner. It feels like preemptive character assassination against any honest politician which should naturally occur.

no, the person would be honest about therr being a problem, which everybody knows, it isn't secret like trump idiots want to believe. The finger pointing would begin to explain what the problem is, and since 'life is complicated' wont be a good enough answer, more simple answers will fill the void, and then groups of people are singled out. The problems are existential but people don't transcend, don't do existential, so hatred is used as the answer instead because it is easier, more powerful in the short term. It isn't dishonest as much as it is a slippery slope, because there is no easy answers, but there are very hard problems.

Oh, please. Some situations are difficult to improve on, others are easy to improve on, and it has a lot to do with the competence of the construction. You're being a perfectionist to the point of paralysis.

guy, you misunderstood the quote. I explained the meaning of the quote, it is what is being said in the quote. But go ahead, and blame me for what Norman Chomsky said while you continue to have no idea what he said.