Donald Trump

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Bars wrote:
All right, time for a more serious post. Disclaimer: I'm Eastern European, have never set foot in the US and that's just an outsider's perspective based on limited information.

The reasons for Trump's victory go back to the 1990s. It's there that an alarming trend appeared in the US economy: a concentration of capital and widening of the gap between the elite and the middle class. This process has been going for a quarter of a century now and the small incremental changes have caused a qualitative difference: the American dream is no longer there. The country is run by an oligarchy, the middle class is dwindling and there are more and more social realities perceived as injustice by many people. Medical care and education are turning into luxury commodities. Most people have to incur massive debt to even get a shot at the career they want.

This means a whole lot of people are disillusioned and unhappy with the status quo. Hilary was a corrupt member of the oligarchy and based her campaign on beautiful-sounding and empty slogans which failed to resonate with the disenchanted masses. Trump managed to portray himself as a rebel, a true patriot who would really change things. He played on the nostalgia for the good ol' days when the American dream was alive and kicking (make America great again), the disappointment with the present and an optimistic picture of the future.

What do I expect to happen? A slick politician with an excellent PR team won the campaign playing on people's emotions. Now the dust will settle, the actual presidency will begin, the emotional outbursts will settle down and a large portion of the Democrat and Republican supporters will realize in consternation something which should've been obvious from the start: Trump isn't a rebel against the establishment. He's part of it. He's a fucking billionaire, for God's sake! He has also proven his willingness to give contradictory promises left and right and I expect him not to fulfill them at all. Hillary supporters will be pleasantly surprised. Trump supporters are in for a rough awakening: it's going to be more or less business as usual.

In the short term, this means Trump was probably the lesser evil than the militaristic Hilary. I suppose less third-world countries will get a taste of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. That's not bad at all. It might, however, cause a long-term problem: the social and economic conditions which allowed for Trump's election won't go away. The oligarchy will continue to get richer and most others will get poorer. Even the most short-sighted will eventually realize Trump is a wolf in a dollar-green suit hiding behind the mask of a patriotic, down-to-earth good ol' boy. The resentment and disillusionment will grow and fester and this might create the correct political climate for a future politician who will actually be radical and extreme, will make outrageous promises and might actually believe in them and work to fulfill them.

We'll see how it goes but let's see I won't be exactly surprised if the US of A gets a taste of what a real radical politician looks like in the not-so-distant future.





for sure this is true. Trump is an environmental disaster, hes the most sickening form of rampant capitalist and hes quite backwards on a fair few social issues. Hes an awful person and America should be ashamed of themselves that this is their new president, its a farce, a total farce.

That theres reasons to be happy he got in over Hillary is scary, that those 2 were the options? Either way around it was a disaster and a further lunge into the dark for america, we knew that country was fucked, completely lost in bullshit and maybe beyond repair but it would have been a significant new low for them no matter who got in.



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DalaiLama wrote:


Stop the shift towards Globalism. If monopolies aren't good, what makes people think a world government monopoly would be any different?





because we could move to a different model that is sustainable and ecologically sound. Thats impossible right now but essential for the future of us and our planet. It might be too soon right now but eventually world government is a necessity if we want to take conscious control of our direction as a species. Stop the wars, stop the pollution, stop embracing systems that put awful people like Trump and Clinton in the driving seat, start embracing a system we can actually believe in that has a direction and a purpose, meaning and longevity.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/crisis-help-lines-election_us_582344fde4b0d9ce6fc03fef

Crisis Help Lines Have Been Inundated Following The Election
If you need help, it’s out there.

Many people felt a deep need to reach out for mental health help following Tuesday night’s election results.

Crisis Text Line, a mental health service that allows people to chat with a counselor via messaging, experienced twice the average volume in the last 24 hours, according to the organization.

In an analysis of the messages Crisis Text Line received, data researchers at the organization found the words “election” and “scared” were the top two phrases being mentioned by texters. The most common association with the word “scared” in texts was the phrase “LGBTQ.”

The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, a 24-hour hotline for people who are at risk for self harm, also saw a rise following the results. The number of calls between the hours of 1 a.m. and 2 a.m. Eastern Time increased by 140 percent, according to John Draper, the project director for the Lifeline.

While we may not know if this particular election that caused psychological distress (it’s possible call volumes increase after any election), it’s also no secret that this divisive and negative race has taken a toll on citizens’ mental health. A survey conducted by the American Psychological Association last month found that the majority of Americans felt significant stress over the election.


Also:

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If you’re in crisis, you can text HELLO to 741-741 for free, 24-hour support from the Crisis Text Line.


LMAO - my usual response to stuff like this.


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@MrSmiley21 - you know what they say: the more suicides, the less suicidal people out there.
You have to be realistic about these things.
Logen Ninefingers
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Bars wrote:
@MrSmiley21 - you know what they say: the more suicides, the less suicidal people out there.


Kinda like how the Obama administration touts low unemployment. People who rage quit the workforce are no longer "unemployed".
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vio wrote:
lol



Fake tweet of course.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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Xavderion wrote:
Spoiler
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vio wrote:
lol



Fake tweet of course.


Lots of these flying around.

Spoiler
You have to be realistic about these things.
Logen Ninefingers
Last edited by Bars#2689 on Nov 10, 2016, 8:35:05 AM
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Xavderion wrote:
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vio wrote:
lol

Spoiler


Fake tweet of course.


yeah, sure

if you wanna fight them, join them ...
age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill!
Shoutout to these guys, they helped flip Pennsylvania.

GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
Yay anti-establishment! Well we will see, because the GOP seems to believe he is going to do the exact same things that GOP has always wanted to do. But you know, he is different and all, we shall see. I am thinking the only difference is going to be that trump is an asshole about things, but the game plan is the same, erode the checks and balances, further erode the ability to vote people out of office, hand the reigns of control over to lobbyists and corporations, erode employee protections, and make working long shifts the requirement to barely scrape by with zero savings. Then pump the stocks, change regulations and dump them enriching the people in the know and sending the country into a free fall again. Erode the publics trust while setting up straw boogie men to burn as a smoke screen while you slip away. Then start up the propaganda machine to fool America all over again, like a worn fiddle. But hey, at least you get to say all the world's problems are inner city black people and muslims with razed homes.
Hey...is this thing on?
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Antnee wrote:
"The media" was "rigged" by Clinton against Trump, right? News networks in her pocket, right? Tons and tons of ads pumped out, better ground game, all polling pointing to her (I don't think the polling was at all rigged, just massively flawed, but bear with me).

Literally if you owned a TV or an internet connection, you were fucking convinced Hillary would win. But Trump won.
I was pretty confident Trump would win. Not quite cocky level, so I didn't go around making predictions IIRC.

The polling methodology used by mainstream (but not by alternative) meta was skewed towards Clinton. It was no secret, methodology is in the fine print. The process was basically this:
1. Get random people on the phone.
2. Ask if they've voted in the past two consecutive elections. If "no," then not a likely voter, so discard.
3. Ask if Republican or Democrat. This separates data into two distinct data pools stored as percentages.
4. Take Democratic and Republican turnout from 2012. Multiply that Democratic turnout by the Democratic data, and Republican turnout by the Republican data. Since the Democratic turnout was higher in 2012, pollsters call this "oversampling."

Now since the Democratic turnout in 2016 could reasonably be assumed to be less than Democratic turnout in 2012, with Republican higher, the alternative right-wing media saw this as some sinister plot to convince the American people that Hillary was much more favored than she actually was. Hence "rigging." But deeply flawed no matter how you slice it.

And it truly was rigged. John Podesta instructed pollsters to use that methodology.

But the thing which I believe the alternative media and the Clinton campaign got wrong was that this was actually practical. In hindsight, it was probably a very stupid move by the Clinton campaign. It perpetually kept a huge chunk of the country - the Trump supporters - under the illusion that they were huge underdogs and that voter turnout was crucial. That doesn't make it less rigged, we have proof it was, but it was rigged in a foolish manner.

This is consistent with Clinton behavior. For example, the email server. Most likely, it was a measure to protect information from being released under FOIA, yet the poor cybersecirity measures taken by Clinton staff made later information public anyway via Wikileaks, sooner than it would have been under FOIA and without redactions to sensitive material.

If the Clinton Machine was corrupt and competent, there's no way Trump would have won. If I'm arguing for the former (with good evidence IMHO), then I must accept the absence of the latter.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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