Donald Trump

"In Ontario we have free photo ID health cards. You must register to vote, they mail out a notice of registration card with your info and designated voting area. You have to go to that location to vote. They check your photo ID, registration card, and cross your name off a list. If your name is not on the list you need to show proof of Canadian citizenship, proof of Ontario residence, photo ID with age, and your location of residence must be a match for that designated voting area (if you're homeless, there's an area for you). With these voting protocols we had a 68.49% turnout in 2015. ."


This is exactly how it works here, you register, they send you voter registration card. You go to your poll and have your name checked off the list. If you arn't on the list you have to provide further information, proving your validity.




"due to fears of fraud and rigging. "

Nope, courts threw out much based on that reasoning, it did not hold water.
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Last edited by LostForm#2813 on Nov 10, 2016, 3:31:51 PM
That's not how it works in most of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Map_of_US_Voter_ID_Laws_by_State,_Strict_vs_Non-Strict,_Nov_2016.svg

It's vast majority no photo ID required (and very few states have strict ID requirements of any kind, it's like 80% of USA is no ID or non-strict ID request).

Edit: USA needs better absentee ballot standards as well. To an outside observer it doesn't look like the US takes fraud seriously at all (and/or encourages fraud, and/or thinks so lowly of the lower class that they accept poor voting validation because they don't think people can handle additional voting requirements).
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Antnee wrote:
Tell ya what, Trump fans... Lets play a game. I won't argue with you- but do me a favor. Consider it my concession prize.

Make me a list. 4-6 short, simple bullet points of why you voted for Trump, or what you want from Trump.


I didn't actually vote for him, but if forced I would vote for him over Hillary

1. I agree with a good portion of his stance on Illegal Immigration, though I disagree with his primary stance for how he's going to deal with it. IMO "building a wall" is not the correct answer. I'm not the smartest tool in the shed so I doubt that I could come up with a better idea, but I feel that establishing good relations with Mexico is key to negating illegal immigration and an immigration reform is required.

2. I wholeheartedly believe that good relations with Russia are needed to combat ISIS and I think that Trump is more likely than Hillary to have a positive influence. While I doubt Hillary would actually provoke a war with Russia (especially with everything being red) and I doubt Russia would make a unilateral military movement that would provoke war. I do believe there would be soured relations, and possible small skirmishing.

3. He's made it clear that he wants to put America first over a globalist agenda, which itself isn't bad and while I still believe that we need to keep ourselves in NATO and the UN as we are a major global power, I do agree that we can withdraw some spending from it.

4. Racism, misogyny, misandry, and xenophobia are negative traits but not good at determining if someone will be a good leader or not. Some of the most revered and reviled leaders had these qualities. I only lightly take these issues into account.

I think I might be able to come up with a few more if I strained to think of more, but those are the main issues for me. As it is this took me about an hour to write while at work.
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Vhlad wrote:
That's not how it works in most of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Map_of_US_Voter_ID_Laws_by_State,_Strict_vs_Non-Strict,_Nov_2016.svg

It's vast majority no photo ID required (and very few states have strict ID requirements of any kind, it's like 80% of USA is no ID or non-strict ID request).

Edit: USA needs better absentee ballot standards as well. To an outside observer it doesn't look like the US takes fraud seriously at all (and/or encourages fraud, and/or thinks so lowly of the lower class that they accept poor voting validation because they don't think people can handle additional voting requirements).


maybe I was confused? Is your health ID a photo ID? (ah I see photo health card, I missed that part for seeing it further down the list as verification) If so, why would you need another photo id during verification for not being on the list?

The major difference there is that the id is mailed to you, the requirements here were to go to the dmv in some places and special voter id places in others, wait in line, and have an id processed, potentially a few times if they found technicalities or your paper work wasn't satification (which yould require further steps of bureaucracy) , and they were not at all convenient locations to the area being served.

the extra voting requirements were deemed unconstitutional for being an undue burden on the process, without evidence showing they are needed, and with evidence of confession showing that they were proposed and passed with the intent of hampering low income inner city residents and college students.


The real proven voter fraud that happens here is by the powers that be, reporting false counts, machine tampering etc. Look at Chicago in the 60's as an example.

I mean maybe they had a few hundred thousand people across the country driving from state to state to bump trump, RNC does have a huge apparatus, but the real concern is undue voter suppression and the one sidedness of states governments in some places, and the fact that a republican governor is in trouble for abuse of office and retaliatory actions over something way more petty than these elections.
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Last edited by LostForm#2813 on Nov 10, 2016, 4:37:58 PM
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Snorkle_uk wrote:


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DalaiLama wrote:

Stop the shift towards Globalism. If monopolies aren't good, what makes people think a world government monopoly would be any different?


because we could move to a different model that is sustainable and ecologically sound.


How would it be ecologically more sound? When there is only one entity providing a service, that entity gets lazy, ineffective and greedy. Competition is the only thing keeping some companies honest, and governments are no different.

Here's a great example of what an unopposed government agency can do with ZERO repercussions:



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Snorkle_uk wrote:
Thats impossible right now but essential for the future of us and our planet. It might be too soon right now but eventually world government is a necessity if we want to take conscious control of our direction as a species.


I respect your opinion, but the idea that we are going to "take control" of evolution runs contrary to the premise of evolution itself. How is it that scientists who still have no flipping clue what 96% of the universe is, or what 95% of DNA does is equipped to make long term intercessionary decisions regarding human destiny?

Put it another way - according to those opposing Trump - the people couldn't even get the election right.

Put another way - if we did indeed have one world government right now and Trump had been elected, would you trust him to shape the Earth's future?

Cars -> mass transit -> one giant train that holds all 7 billion humans at once and doesn't move until everyone is on.

Overpopulation? No problem, just create and spread some government engineered plagues. Those pesky protestors clogging up the roads? The snipers of GlobalTrump's China division can use them for target practice. The bodies afterward will be used to feed the homeless. It's all good and legal, because there is absolutely no opposition to say otherwise.

Those pesky celebrities? - See them fight sharks with their bare hands on Celebrity Shark Week.

Those people that don't like religion? Too bad, the Trump Uniworld Government has decided on its official brand of religion and people will worship accordingly or be turned into fertilizer. Its all good because the 30-40% decrease in population will help the planet right?

Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. A planetary government would have absolute power.

Are you still sure you want to take a chance on having Donald J Trump in charge of everything and everyone on Earth?
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LostForm wrote:
I am thinking the only difference is going to be that trump is an asshole about things, but the game plan is the same, erode the checks and balances


If Trump tries to bully his way through things, in two years, the House and Senate will see a flip. If history is any guide, he'll have to do a damn good job to avoid that anyways. If Trump's opening salvo is building the wall, then he will spend ALL of his political capitol on that (like Obama did with health care) and waste the rest of his presidency.

To be a successful leader, Trump is going to have to inspire other elected leaders to follow him.

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Vhlad wrote:
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In Ontario we have free photo ID health cards. You must register to vote, they mail out a notice of registration card with your info and designated voting area. You have to go to that location to vote. They check your photo ID, registration card, and cross your name off a list. If your name is not on the list you need to show proof of Canadian citizenship, proof of Ontario residence, photo ID with age, and your location of residence must be a match for that designated voting area (if you're homeless, there's an area for you). With these voting protocols we had a 68.49% turnout in 2015.

US needs something similar. And either subsidize drivers license/passport for low income or have a free national photo ID program that's verified.


Agreed. If they standardized the IDs, and made them valid for a longer time, the cost to make this program free would be minimal.
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PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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DalaiLama wrote:

To be a successful leader, Trump is going to have to inspire other elected leaders to follow him.


Inspire is such an Obama word. Trump will be persuading/negotiating. :P

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