[Talisman] MoM/EB/ZO Bladefall/Firestorm Trapper HC ~WIP~

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yotmato wrote:

According to the wording, Essence Drain is not Life Regen, so even if we take ZO, we can throw Essence Drain traps that will be spread by Contagion, recovering our HP while everything dies to degen damage.

Are we certain that Essence Drain when not self-casted will heal us still? I was under the impression we wouldn't get healed using this as a trap/mine.

That is the big debate imo, if it being used as a trap will heal us or not. Will have to be tested like right away on the start of the changes on another character that I have planned imo to see if my planned build will work.

What i plan to do anyway.

so yotmato is your incinerator build really dead now with the nerfs? really liked that build you make pretty badass builds I might have to try this one

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yotmato wrote:

Acrobatics reduces your ES by 50% and you take EB, doesn't make any sense

I will use bow +1 socketed gems (with resists and DoT master Leo) + Soul Strike + discipline + rest of gear with ES. I will have a penalty, but will work. Dont is necessary 2K or more of ES (I would not use MoM), 1k is very good and sufficient.

Looking forward to this!

Had a blast with your build in Tempest.

Reasoning behind not picking 2 16% trap damage nodes at the clever construction build over the chaos damage / damage over time ones at the witch chaos wheel "corruption"?
Thanks

Im really seeing this build getting massive mana problems.
Traps tend to get mana heavy in 5/6links

Im thinking about doing this build in the SC temp league, but im going for dual curse I think so ill have more mana left

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Avmantox wrote:

That is the big debate imo, if it being used as a trap will heal us or not. Will have to be tested like right away on the start of the changes on another character that I have planned imo to see if my planned build will work.

What i plan to do anyway.

You have to look at the numbers, at level 1, Essence Drain dot recovers 0.2% of the debuff damage as life, so at level 20, what is it gonna be? 1-2% at most? If it even scales at all, because it might remain at 0.2%, and recover 0.2% of the debuff damage PER enemy affected, I think that will be most likely the case, making it somewhat powerful vs big packs and very weak against bosses.

Remember that Essence drain is a projectile spell with no AOE tag, by the time Contagion spreads Essence Drain, everything might already be dead.

Just picture the following situation, you face a pack clustered together of ~15 mobs, you throw a contagion trap that hits, for example, 8 of them, by the time you throw a Essence Drain trap, everything will most likely be dead, or it hits 1 mob in low hp, then its impact will be minimal.

All in all, I think Essence Drain is a little underwhelming compared to Contagion/Wither combo, and trying to fit in Essence Drain might hinder clear speed instead of helping it, because you waste time casting Essence Drain when everything will already die to Contagion anyways, and you can be moving towards the next pack.

It might help a bit in the single target department vs bosses and thats it, thats my thoughts on Essence Drain atm, I don't think the healing part is a big deal whatsoever, regardless if it heals the trap or the user.

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Shibajusty wrote:

Reasoning behind not picking 2 16% trap damage nodes at the clever construction build over the chaos damage / damage over time ones at the witch chaos wheel "corruption"?
Thanks

No particular reason, well spotted.

I might steal those points and take the witch flask nodes instead in the final build, so i'll update the tree once the patch is out.

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OuweDorper wrote:

Im really seeing this build getting massive mana problems.
Traps tend to get mana heavy in 5/6links

Im thinking about doing this build in the SC temp league, but im going for dual curse I think so ill have more mana left

Do you understand what Eldritch Battery does?