Archers have quivers, two handed melee...why not Scabbards/sheaths?

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Holocaustus wrote:

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lolozori wrote:

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Holocaustus wrote:

Right. The difference is that quivers play a more active role since that's what the archer uses to reload his magical arrows so it makes sense that it conveys some sort of bonus. A scabbard, on the other hand, doesn't really do anything once the sword is unsheathed. Never mind that battlehammers and maces don't even have scabbards in the first place.

I'm sorry, I just don't like the idea. If 2-handers indeed need help (do they really?) it should be done some other way than by means of a contrived additional gear slot.

They do need help, thanks for asking. The game is centered around gear so yeah it should be around gear. A holster or scabbard would be great as long as it conveys defensive bonuses VS offensive bonuses like Quivers. Off stats like movespeed, health, block (rear guard), armour and resistances would be a much needed and welcome addition to 2 handed characters who 100% get the short end of the stick every single update.

because ggg hates melee and it's gonna get worse.bowers can have 2 six links (chest and bow) plus the additional attributes of the quiver. your idea is fresh but this game is becomeing a shooter game. if you like your melee character enjoy it while you can cause is gonna get shitier. Melee in POE is neither enjoyable or rewarding anymore. Jesus Chris-T, we know you love magic but damn! if you gonna criple the foot soldiers soooo much, just delete the marauder character already! good luck and enjoy your melee while you can.

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grant_m wrote:

Boem, what would you think about something like an endurance charge in there also? (Totally agree about it not needing to be about offense)

I think that should be reserved for unique's/passive tree attributes and not for common rares.

However, this could be a corruptible implicit i imagine.
(then again, this would push the number post-ascendancy to 12? Which is a lot and could be troublesome)

Specifically for items that are modified based on E-charge count.

Peace,

-Boem-

A problem i had not thought about, staffs are also considered 2-hand weapons, but can also be utilized for spell-casters.

So allowing things like increased AOE would already be troublesome for those instances.(i was contemplating the defensive buffs purely from a "melee restriction PoV")

With that in mind, allowing a +1 endurance charge would be very troublesome.(discharge)

And so i can conclude, i have a lot of empathy for the balance team regarding this issue since the impacts are not entirely up-front obvious and a lot of consideration has to be put in these potential additions.

I totally understand why they did not do anything with a 2h off-hand item slot.

I reckon, it might work if they put a 600str equip limit on it or something and then make a 600intel equip variant centered around spell casters.(staffs) To reign in potential abusive scenario's.

Peace,

-Boem-

I think a system could work where three different kinds exist (one for every stat pool) and an equipment limitation of roughly 400 +- of the stat is required to utilize it.

And then allow some "unique modifiers" to spawn on them, since the opportunity cost to utilize one is quite high this could be properly balanced.

This could allow modifiers like IAOE to spawn on intel based sheaths etc. One would have to consider "is it worth getting 400+ intelligence on this build for the sheath with potential beneficial stats or do i simply forgo it and invest in other things?"

It would also allow some cool modifiers on dex oriented sheaths like a %life modifier instead of a flat one :)

And unique sheaths with hybrid stat requirements etc, there is definitely potential! But cost should be key before implementing it since it is a dangerous (balance wise) concept :).

I'm having trouble thinking of a 2H companion item class to put in the offhand slot that would be applicable to staves, swords, maces, and axes. Scabbard/sheath would be silly for 3/4 melee 2H weapon types.

They could add an ascension class passive that lets you wield either two 2H weapons or one 2H + one 1H, but that can get really broken.

Ultimately, if 2H needs a buff it's probably best to buff the 2H uniques, affixes, and passives directly.

Though, 2H staves are in a great place atm. Hegemony's era or great rare staves make for excellent 2H melee builds. Pledge of hands is nuts for many caster builds. The whispering ice is end-game and pvp viable. Searing touch is often a budget staple, esp in early leagues before many +3 fire rares are crafted. Sire of shards has a couple viable builds that clear maps efficiently.

Mirror class 2H melee rares are quite exceptional, but the gap between those and typical rares is massive. GGG might want to improve drop quality to narrow that gap (or reign in the high-end), so things are easier to balance.

But really, the main problem might be that there just aren't enough decent unique 2H axes, swords, and maces. They are all mostly horrible. The best ones (the harvest and edge of madness) aren't generally used for attacks.

Edit: base crit and attack speed ranges on 2H weapons (well, axes, maces, and swords) are problematic too