Accuracy VS Damage nodes

acurracy Vs. dmg nodes

*Disclaimer - not feedback - just trying to get a discussion on the topic that affects gameplay

Lets say accuracy is naturally at 80% (I believe this is a lowball - probably 85% is more accurate, but for the sake of this we will go 5% lower)



lets say you have a weapon that attacks 1 time per second and does 50-150 per attack.

DPS is 100 but then reduce it by 20% to account for accuracy to make it 80 dps

A single accuracy node is unlikely to give more than 1% each node, but let's make it 3% each node of accuracy - just to prove my point coming up

The math should be the same regardless of how many nodes you put into either accuracy or damage - so lets do the math for 3 nodes that you are wondering where to
place.

First example you place nodes in accuracy, this brings your accuracy to 89% (using 3% per node)

So your DPS changes from 80 to 89.

Now let's say you put the 3 nodes into dmg, each being 10% increase - screw it, let's say 6% which is extremely low, considering most are 10% or will equate to 10% once the you get to the final node in a cluster of nodes.

so that is a 18% increase (using 6% dmg nodes as a lowball to prove the point)

The damage on the bow is turned from 50-150 to 59 - 177

Changing dps to 118 before accuracy.

Now we have to account for the 80% accuracy

118 * 80% = 94.4

So going accuracy nodes = 89 dps

Damage nodes = 94.4

Which may not seem like that much until you realize I comepletely butchered the damage nodes by doing the math 4% under average
and comepletly over valued accuracy at 3% per node.

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For those who want realistic math and not over and under exageration to find out exactly how absurd the difference is - most accuracy nodes have some other "bonus"
that is simply too weak of a bonus to make it worth it.


Lets use the attack speed accuracy nodes to the right of ranger start.

the total for all 3 is 20 dexterity, 9% AS, and 36% accuracy, and let's say acuracy goes up by 1% per 8% increased accuracy, so 36/8 = +4.5% increase to accuracy

and let's say base is same as before at 80%

same weapon 50-150 dmg, 1.0 attack per second

The new weapon AS after 9% increase is 1.09 APS and the accuracy is 85% (Let's round up from the 4.5 increase - make it an even 5%)

the dex will give 4% increased evasion and 40 flat accuracy

So, (50+150)/2 = 100 * 1.09 = 109 * 85% = 92.65 DPS


Now lets just do 3 dmg nodes - each being 10% (Average % increase on tree)

so with a 30% increase 50-150 turns into 65 - 195 = 260/2 = 130 * 1.0 = 130 * 80% = 104 DPS


3 accuracy nodes = 92.65 DPS

3 damage nodes = 104 DPS


In conclusion, accuracy nodes are underpowered. I am using static electricity jewel, and the accuracy/AS/and dex
(dex gives +20 so it's +20 to max lightning dmg) IS STILL NOT ENOUGH to justify getting those nodes unless you are filling
in what you are next to because it is late and getting to other damage nodes would take too long (Which, when you do get
there after using "filler" for lack of a better word you should remove the filler nodes and place them into the damage nodes
for much higher DPS)

Didn't do the math on the crit accuracy - but am pretty sure that it also is worse than dmg nodes in most, if not for all weapons.

*My extremely under qualified opinion that holds no weight at all is that they should remove accuracy as a mechanic and should replace the passive effect of 1 DEX = 2 accuracy with 1 DEX = 2 flat evasion and should replace accuracy nodes with a more powerful version of the "bonuses" to getting the accuracy nodes. Change the AS/Accuracy nodes just attack speed to 6% to 8% per node ( 18-24% total) and the crit/accuracy nodes to 60% crit chance + 10% increased crit multiplier or 75% increased crit chance for the 3 nodes

TL:DR Accuracy is not worth putting points into unless it is per chance while getting to a group of damage nodes.

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RichardBachman wrote:

*My extremely under qualified opinion that holds no weight at all is that they should remove accuracy as a mechanic and should replace the passive effect of 1 DEX = 2 accuracy with 1 DEX = 2 flat evasion

Umm, this might be just a nitpick, but what would we need evasion for if there's no accuracy? :)

Accuracy nodes aren't that bad these days, they usually have other useful bonuses like attack speed or crit. And you do need some amount of them, for right side builds taking only a few nodes makes a difference because of high base. Unfortunately, for left side builds they will do jack shit without some flat accuracy on gear, so if I'm about to suggest anything at all, it's giving some base accuracy along with percentage on every acc node.

High accuracy is a must for a crit build because it checks twice so its effect on dps is squared.

Accuracy is never worth it over damage nodes.

0 - 20% is not bigger than 200-220% it is actually increased by the same amount.

Example:

100 dps weap +20% dmg = 120

100 dps weap +200% dmg = 300 + 20% = 320 DPS

The damage remains the same, the accuracy goes down, but even letting it hit absurdly low numbers you will be better off getting damage nodes.

I think I understand what you are saying - at low level there isn't as much of a nerf to your damage because your accuracy is pretty high early on.

Even so, it is still better to get damage because regardless of what level you are, damage will out scale the negation caused by low accuracy.

The math is to scale, it's why i used an even hundred DPS as base to make it easier to understand.

Damage is better. Math is math as far as I'm concerned, and if I messed up my math, by all means, let me know and show your work, as I have, so I can understand it better.

@Raics I am not sure what you mean, accuracy and evasion are two different things, one is your chance to hit, and once is your chance to avoid being hit.

As far the double check you discuss, I have to do the math, I think it will be a close call and you may be 100% correct - but will post the math when I'm done "mathing" - (Was supposed to be a pun for mapping - I feel lame now)

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RichardBachman wrote:

100 dps weap +20% dmg = 120

100 dps weap +200% dmg = 300 + 20% = 320 DPS

Relative increase is what counts, going from 100 to 120 is 20% more and going from 300 to 320 is 6% more. If spending 3 points on the tree on damage would push your damage up by 5% and three accuracy nodes would increase your chance to hit from 80 to 86%, accuracy would be better because that would be 7% more dps.

For a crit build that would be 15% more because of double-dip, that's a major boost.

so let me get this straight,

if ones accuracy is low, like 80%, then there is only an 80% chance of
engaging the others evasion response. meaning there is a 20% chance
to be miss before the evasion is even engaged. (as though a native 20%
chance to dodge)

git yer accuracy up to 99.9% and that "native chance to dodge" doesn't exist.

accuracy doesn't defeat evasion.

I agree that most of the time +damage causes more than +accuracy,
and also agree that accuracy helps more late game when one already
has a lot of +damage nodes.

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Vipermagi wrote:

"@Raics I am not sure what you mean, accuracy and evasion are two different things, one is your chance to hit, and once is your chance to avoid being hit. "

Yes, so if we remove accuracy, evasion is a dead stat.

raics, how are they tied again? I didnt quite get what you and viper were saying.

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AgnosiousD wrote:

raics, how are they tied again? I didnt quite get what you and viper were saying.

You get chance to hit by comparing attacker's accuracy score with defender's evasion score, you got the exact formula on wiki.