About the state of 2 handed weapons.

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raxleberne wrote:

There is someone who managed to pull out deathless killing and facetanking core malachai with 2h build. Etup was first to reach lvl 100 with 2h. Not sure if 2h is bad or simply you are bad

you right at some point disfavour + LC cyclone is doing good, but compared to other builds 1h or bow builds 2hers are still behind.

I play poe now for very long time and I tested all kind of builds so im speaking from experience.

I don't know about you guys, but nearly all my death are to elemental damage.

I never understood the craze about phys dmg whooping you, i never had any issues with it, and no i don't self-cast some immortal call or anything. In fact i got almost nothing against physical i just do pool.

In the same way, all the most dangerous times are when you have the nasty elemental damage mods for maps etc.

wtf is up with this thread. 2H melee was literally top tier in 2.0 in hardcore league atleast. Ice crash/cyclone/sweep were used by lots of people in the top 100 on Tempest. Just because dual wielding mirrored daggers does more dps than a 2H build with a mirrored axe doesn't mean 2H needs to get buffed.

A modest suggestion for buffing 2-hand melee:

Make all 2-hand melee weapon sockets white.

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tostie wrote:

Getting a 600+ dps 2H weapon is harder than getting 2 1h 300+ dps ones

Yeah, but 600 DpS is 600 DpS.
Two 300 DpS onehanders won't find a (remotely useful) skill that gives them 300+300 DpS.

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Ceryneian wrote:

Problem with 2H is that you have no access to:

1) shield like 1H and wanders (for life/ES and resistances and defense stats like EV/AR)
2) no quiver like bows (for life and resistances and damage)
3) no off-hand weapon like dual wielders (for more damage/crit/stats)

So at the end of the day what does 2H really have? Two 6Ls? Yeah, so does the bow guy with his quiver who is playing at range.

Twohanders get higher affixes to compensate.

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I'm not saying this is fair and balanced, or all is fine with twohanders, but it's not as bad as you're all trying to make it.

two one handers? one 300 pdps and other fake-dual-wield offhand with perma onslaught or might and you can rival 2h. with higher attack speed granted by DW bonus and inherent 1h higher speeds the clear speed is also better

also, if you go two daggers or claws you get the flat damage AND double crit/multi rolls and that is huge. two crit-multi foils are comparable if not better than suberbly rolled Exquisite blade and foils are faster..

because 2h affixes are higher but not double value, more like 50-60% higher. staying in T3-T2 damage prefixes (most players use T3 or even T4 rolls) the difference is rather small.

Did you even read what I was replying to?
And how I ended my post?

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Crackmonster wrote:

I don't know about you guys, but nearly all my death are to elemental damage.

I never understood the craze about phys dmg whooping you, i never had any issues with it, and no i don't self-cast some immortal call or anything. In fact i got almost nothing against physical i just do pool.

In the same way, all the most dangerous times are when you have the nasty elemental damage mods for maps etc.

watch this vid and ull know :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doflk9_kT58

I feel physical 2H melee isn't in a horrible spot. Elemental, on the other hand, seems weak.

My suggestion is:
1. Change the implicit on all non-Maraketh slashing swords, both 1H and 2H, to "% increased Elemental Damage with Weapons." This is much more fitting with the fantasy trope of the elemental enchanted sword. In particular, the 2H implicit should be significant.
2. Give Axes, both 1H and 2H, the old % Accuracy implicit for slashing swords.

Interesting video, but i stand by what i said as one example doesn't prove which is more likely. Elemental damage is by far the most dangerous.

Guy was in a vulnerability map with 102% additional damage as cold. Was an archer and went up to a pack including a rare with + phys damage aura and stood still there till they finished their swings. It probably would have hurt even more if they had two elemental damage mods instead of the vulnerability.

The way i build is.. you build protection against any and all oneshots(well that won't be possible, but you do as much as makes sense), that means regular monsters damage will be very little threat unless u let them beat on you for free, so the main source of the threat are from boss oneshots. That's why i say good builds. Mayber bad builds that find it hard to survive and/or kill, have issues with the regular autos from mobs.

I would never advise taking some chest that gives only phys protection over one that gives both, because the harder thing to overcome is elemental threat.

This is the link where we discussed 2H and Uber Atziri, the requirements of doing it Pre 2.0, a while back.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1058950

Alot of us, myself included, describe the big issues of 2H weapons in that thread.

2h cyclone build is my highest level build ever :o

self found :o