About the state of 2 handed weapons.

In the current version of the game 2 handed weapons are out shined by dual wielding one handers by so much it's not even funny.

Getting a 600+ dps 2H weapon is harder than getting 2 1h 300+ dps ones, and you lose defenses by using one. That's not even including the cost to 6 socket a weapon, a problem you won't have dual wielding. This includes both attack builds and spell casters.

You lose item affixes, dual wielding offers 12 affixes instead of 6, on top of the loss of block for anything that's not a 18% staff. Less opportunities to use uniques to do something interesting as well.

So what are ways to improve 2 handers?

I'd love to see their affixes get a bit higher, the current dps limit for 2H weapons seems to be 800, which is easily out shined by dual wielding 1H instead. More affixes would also work, have 8 affixes instead of the current 6 compared to the 12 you get from dual wielding should make them interesting.

tl;dr 2H are a joke plz fix.

More DPS isn't the ONLY answer but better and more distinguishable implicit and explicit mods on them would be welcome.

Skills for 2 handed weapons, we only have Sweep right now, but a myriad of 1 handed only skills.

Ability to invest into 2 handed block or 2 handed defence nodes due to the utter lack there-of and little to no increase in DPS when compared to Dual Wield.

On the DPS side of things, a 2 handed weapon should completely outclass all other weapons on every level. You give up all defence in order to hit just as hard and limit your skill choices? Alright then, sounds legit.

One day...

There was an amazing discussion about 2hers brought about when the first (and I think still only) 2h melee uber atziri was completed.


Basically its not about damage. The problem is something completely different, its survivability. Dual wield can get high block, shield has block + health + defences. 2H gets damage?

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Disagree. When you choose to go with a 2 handed weapon you forgo all the other options. At this point you should have viable meaningful choices that are not strictly inferior.

DPS needs to be higher for the reason that you have less defense, otherwise it'll just be the inferior option always, which is the status quo I'm commenting on.

More damage would fit the design of 2H, but I personally think the design of 2H is contradictory to the game. Your dps is irrelevant if you can't take a hit, and even moreso with melee. Less defenses just doesn't seem like an option in this game, so if the 2H doesn't provide any defensive bonuses, then those bonuses will need to be acquired elsewhere.

Personally I like the idea of a soul eater like buff exclusive to 2h, with a duration. Perhaps a cycle with one for each attribute, but with increased life on each.

2H needs a buff.

Spectral Throw was supposed to be the saving grace for 2H, and should have been made ONLY for 2H'ers.

Problem with 2H is that you have no access to:

1) shield like 1H and wanders (for life/ES and resistances and defense stats like EV/AR)
2) no quiver like bows (for life and resistances and damage)
3) no off-hand weapon like dual wielders (for more damage/crit/stats)

So at the end of the day what does 2H really have? Two 6Ls? Yeah, so does the bow guy with his quiver who is playing at range.

2H should get automatic stats, similar to how Dual Wielding automatically gets AS, phy damage, and block stats.

2h is limited so much that it is not even funny

it is a poor man's option for people who cant trade and this is the shortest yet fullest definition

(exclude 2h uniques that are downright BiS like Pledge or Hege or stuff like +3 SRS)

1h + shield is the meta for survival
DW is (esp the 'fake' one) pure dps + nice perks (perma onsl/might? yes please!)
2h is for loosers.. sadly

2h cannot realistically make an ele build (flat ele, non-convert) as the aspd is too low
the rolls on 2h are only about 60% higher than 1h instead of 100%+ to equalize the downsides of no-shield, 6affixes only

the 'range' component on 2h is pretty much useless as regardless of 'logic' the highest range belongs to foils.. so this area is also a bummer

staves are cool (block) but.. one cannot make a budget staff build (using crit) because the tree placement pretty much forces gloves with aspd/acc, helmet with acc and jewelry with acc to cover the non-DEX starting area. these arent cheap

2h nodes are also nothing special, there is little difference between 1h and 2h nodes in terms of values

i have several 2h builds but only because i couldnt find a comparable dps output 1h weapon of given type.

given a choice 1h+shield or 2h with 'reasonably comparable' dps id have never chosen 2h

even non leg facebreaker is better than a 600 pdps 2h.

The fact Kaom got nerfed really hurt 2h too.

If only we could get 2% regen on the chest maybe we could invest in more life nods and go back to kaom leg level without gainning too much power.

2h going armor instead of kaom are less weak in pve but still got problem for getting 1 shot if they don t raise endurance charges.

the nerf on cyclone hurt the most 2h users and 2h nods really suck compared to 1h nods on tree.

I can get 100k cyclone using a simple facebreaker 700-800% and get block and 5k life, compared to 2h if i take all dps nods i can do 100k but have no defenses and if i take life nods to get over 8k life i can do like 30k dps but can t kill boss quick enough to avoid 1 shots.

Either give 2h more defense on 2h nods only or give 2h melee nods increase in dps.Also put 2% life regen on kaom heart non legacy and give 2h a "more" damage gem that is not based on elem or bleed damage.

PoH and +3Stafffs are quite usable.

Two-handers have always been broken.

Add it to the list of broken game items that are never addressed

Poor game development

Edit: I'm talking about melee two-hand builds, not caster