Immunity's are a fundamental bad design considering recent changes.

100% agree leech already terrible lets make it not work now. doh?

Between fucked up map drops and immunity I have zero reason to lvl past about 75 now. Game end there.

The end of game in PoE is worse than "Normal difficulty." Instead of working to be all powerful and feeling good about a build you get worse and get frustrated by no maps and running content way too easy. Lame

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Boem wrote:

off-topic drivel

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BunnyGlobe wrote:

We all have to admit GGG has lost their sense as a gamer given the recent spiky change reflects how GGG does their balancing based on trading, barring players from easily entering fun end game content and etc.

GGG is looking from the perspective of statistic of top tier players and make changes based on that. They never enroll as a gamer from beginning to the end in this game but being a staff and developers only. Hence, that explains how they have no clue how to make PoE a fun game anymore lately.
They assume their changes in recent big and small patches alike are awesome and compatible to serve the population of the gamers based on statistic, not based on how they play the game.

Sooner or later, GGG will lose all its former glory by turning into one of those mega million companies that balance the game without giving fun value to gamers.
It does look like that now given they introduced more damage spike which is wellknown as one shot mechanic into the game, end game contents barred behind RNG, and braindumb mechanic, immunities.

Seriously? Is this the same game that encourage build diversities? As of now, more and more unique builds will simply answer to such new mechanic by using a Chaos. Yes, screw build diversity and unique builds as the answer to all of that is a Chaos Orb.

GGG, are you now lacking of ideas and mechanic designs? Can you please stop insulting all of us who appreciates and values the uniqueness of this game being so different and special from other game with big names?


Love,
Bunny

If you have nothing to add to the discussion rather then non-constructive defamatory post's about GGG as a company, don't bother posting in the future?

The topic seems obvious as suggested by the tittle.

It's amazing some people actually wonder why GGG doesn't pro-actively responds to feedback threads given post's like these.

Peace,

-Boem-

You are doing the opposite of what you are trying to tell me. You are deriving the topic's intention. Any personal recommendation or suggestion, do PM me instead of making a post in a thread dedicated for constructive ideas. Don't contradict yourself, thanks.


Love,
Bunny

I already said my piece on-topic, and have no further responses. I just want to respond to this:

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ACGIFT wrote:

I did a quick check of your characters to confirm before saying this, but... All your builds are cookie-cutter as hell. (Crit staff, flame totem? Seriously?) So OF COURSE for you, things like curses, leech, status effects, stun, are merely icing on the cake. Watch how quick you'd get up in arms if the game made a "monsters are immune to critical hits" mod, though.

add Immunity to nerf and qq from forum :)

I do not view the concept of -res or -% recovery to be "RF killers." RF weakeners, sure, but it is possible to build RF assuming -40% regen effectiveness and still sustain. So you have a build choice to counter the map affix or get higher DPS in maps which don't reduce regen.

Of course, at a certain point things are just overtuned. Like -res, it's almost impossible to build RF to still work through that. But we've known -res has been overtuned, and ridiculously so, since forever. Would be nice if GGG finally toned it down. ("Deadly" is 25-35% more enemy damage, if the -res range was 6-9 that would be 24-36% more Elemental damage even for plain 75% res builds. A 5-8 range would make most sense if you ask me.)

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Boem wrote:

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EAKZOI wrote:

@Boem:

Leech Immunity. And are YOU disagreeing ?!

GGG made something REALLY wrong this time. I have to agree with you op =).

I have disagreed plenty with decision made by GGG, maybe you simply have not been around long enough to know this.

There is however a difference between disagreeing from a personal motivation or biased point of view and trying to comprehend a decision made by GGG from an objective stand-point.

From an objective stance, the opinion voiced that this is just another chaos sink is most likely correct. However that doesn't impede my original point that immunity's are simply lackluster design.

Simply put, end-game content should aim to kill players, but it should allow ways to overcome adversity
as-well.

An immunity does not allow this "space" to a player. It's an all or nothing game.

OT

and just to be clear, i rarely if ever post my own opinion on maters. Usually i post what is
"the most logical" conclusion.

For example i have always agreed with scrotie's vision of the map modifiers being extremely lack-luster in there core design.

I also agree with the fact that map progression should be handled differently.

I also agree that item modifiers are lack-luster and that plenty of QoL changes are long overdue.

That doesn't prevent me from keeping a level head when entering a thread or discussing a topic related to PoE though.

Peace,

-Boem-

That is really good to know. Really nice to know that side of you, i also encourage you to keep this position for a little longer.

Hi

I would greatly enjoy if some lead dev's removed some of the deadweight at GGG, someone keeps coming up with these stinker ideas...



Its like this person keeps saying at meetings,'' I know POE is fun but we must HALVE IT our way and make the game...''

cheers

I like when monsters have resistances and immunity in some scenario.


For immunity I like when it is something specific like, Curse immune, cannot be stunned etc... it does not prevent you from killing the monster and it give some defense to it. I have no problem at all on immunity mechanics as long as it would not prevent you to kill the monster but just make it harder to kill it.

I find it unfortunate that a post about fundamental design ignored discussing the biggest difference between immunities and non-immunities, which is how differently it treats solo mappers vs. party mappers. Instead it was about funneling builds (or skipping the challenge if you don't follow the funnel) which is something that every difficult thing does, and is hardly a fundamental error.

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

I find it unfortunate that a post about fundamental design ignored discussing the biggest difference between immunities and non-immunities, which is how differently it treats solo mappers vs. party mappers. Instead it was about funneling builds (or skipping the challenge if you don't follow the funnel) which is something that every difficult thing does, and is hardly a fundamental error.

I only wrote this on a "wimp" so i am sure i have not discussed every angle of the issue.

Your argument is valid though, but it is also blatantly obvious that i don't feel the need to address it individually.

To put it differently, if they solve the issue for solo players, the team vs solo argument becomes invalid all together.

My post aims to address the fact that GGG made design choices to make certain benefits "specialty" or "novelty" attributes. Such as status ailments/life leech/curses/stun etc

In practice this means that a big portion of the character is purely dedicated around developing and further enhancing this novelty to great benefits of it's core design. Which in return makes immunity's not a "slight" punishment for a developed character, but a complete deal breaker without any possible way to overcome the hurdle the character is presented with.

In other words, if GGG didn't implement passive tree nodes like "increased leach rate" or "increased freeze duration" this would be a non-issue. but since they changed the leech mechanic, with corresponding passive nodes to boost it to "legacy state" and changed how status ailments are applied with again, corresponding "increased X ailment efficiency" this is in fact a design issue.

Since they force character into these nodes on purpose, only to turn around and go "well, cool build, but you cant overcome -THIS- "mod X", muhahahahaha"

Thanks for pointing out the solo vs party disparity though.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : i should note : one of PoE's major strengths has always been the possibility's to overcome adversity's the game throws at you in multiple ways. Immunity's are a deal breaker on that front and impede on one of the core principles of PoE as a game. A challenging game that rewards player
skill-knowledge to overcome that challenge.